Boeing D6-51991 Product Acceptance Software question

[Cari Spears]

I was wondering though.....as your Quality Systems Manager is designated as the DPD Representative, has there ever been any flags raised by your customer that the Quality Systems Manager is also the Lead Internal Auditor for auditing the DPD program? It appears to be a conflict of interest in that the person running the program is also auditing it.

Hi,

Nope. Our customer DPD auditors have never had an issue with that. As the DPD Representative, I don't really perform the activities controlled by the DPD procedures - I'm not handling data, moving data, generating dataset derivatives, translating data, etc. I sat with the people who actually do perform these activities and wrote the procedure and related documents, and I am the Lead Internal Auditor and audit the DPD process, but I don't actually perform any of the activities described. I do run the inspection department, and some of the DPD activities are performed by people who report to me, but even that has never come up from a customer DPD auditor.

Let me know if you'd like to see any of our DPD stuff. That procedure is from a few D6-51991 revs back.

 

[RCW]

Hi,

Nope. Our customer DPD auditors have never had an issue with that. As the DPD Representative, I don't really perform the activities controlled by the DPD procedures - I'm not handling data, moving data, generating dataset derivatives, translating data, etc. I sat with the people who actually do perform these activities and wrote the procedure and related documents, and I am the Lead Internal Auditor and audit the DPD process, but I don't actually perform any of the activities described. I do run the inspection department, and some of the DPD activities are performed by people who report to me, but even that has never come up from a customer DPD auditor.

Let me know if you'd like to see any of our DPD stuff. That procedure is from a few D6-51991 revs back.

Hi Cari,

Yes, I would like to see what you currently have for your DPD procedure (VQA.PR.15). Since you posted your 2011 version here, it looks like Boeing dropped the Problem Reporting and Corrective Action section. Also if I could see your Supplier DPD Audit Checklist (VQA.SAC.02) it would be appreciated. My DPD procedure will be watered-down from what you have as my company does not do design for Boeing and does not do any machining or fabricating using the digital data files. It would be a matter of just controlling, monitoring, and distributing the data.

 

[Cari Spears]

Here's our current procedure. I attached a few different examples of supplier surveys.

 

[ctexas20]

Hi,

Nope. Our customer DPD auditors have never had an issue with that. As the DPD Representative, I don't really perform the activities controlled by the DPD procedures - I'm not handling data, moving data, generating dataset derivatives, translating data, etc. I sat with the people who actually do perform these activities and wrote the procedure and related documents, and I am the Lead Internal Auditor and audit the DPD process, but I don't actually perform any of the activities described. I do run the inspection department, and some of the DPD activities are performed by people who report to me, but even that has never come up from a customer DPD auditor.

Let me know if you'd like to see any of our DPD stuff. That procedure is from a few D6-51991 revs back.

Cari, I've been ready through your responses and advice on Boeing DPD D6-51991. I just registered to this forum for the exact information I am reading on here. I am the quality manager for my companies aerospace product machine shop. We are AS9100 certified and an approved Boeing supplier but one thing we do not have is D6-51991 DPD approval. We build to Boeing approved drawings and now will be using models as well and hence the need to be DPD approved. I am at the very early stage of compiling, learning, researching everything I will need to pass the audit and to operate under DPD. We utilize CMM's and Mylar in some cases along with calibrated measuring devices. Our programmers use Master Cam and Solid Works. That's the basics of it. You have been very helpful on this forum and so I guess it's my turn to pick your brain and ask if there is any shared template or data you can provide. I've always followed the thinking that if a system has been approved, works and useful, why try and recreate the wheel. Thank you in advance with any info or advise you can provide. Cheers

 

[Cari Spears]

Cari, I've been ready through your responses and advice on Boeing DPD D6-51991. I just registered to this forum for the exact information I am reading on here. I am the quality manager for my companies aerospace product machine shop. We are AS9100 certified and an approved Boeing supplier but one thing we do not have is D6-51991 DPD approval. We build to Boeing approved drawings and now will be using models as well and hence the need to be DPD approved.

Hi! Welcome to the cove.

Are you a direct supplier, or sub tier supplier? I didn't think a company could be an approved Boeing supplier without DPD approval - even if that company is using only drawings. Do you have access to SQIS?

Anywho, I wrote our DPD procedure in the same outline as D6-51991. Except that I have 3.11 Problem Reporting and Corrective Action, because one of our customers, whose customer is Boeing, is still using a DPD checklist from 2 revisions ago and wrote an NC because my procedure didn't have it in there.

I took the standard, copied the outline, then filled it in with how our company does stuff. It involved IT, Program Management, Inspection (we have CMMs and Laser Trackers), Manufacturing Support (which is what we call the guys that make limited dimension detail drawings and write our CNC programs), Purchasing and Design. I went and talked with all of those functions and filled in the outline until I had all the requirements covered.

We are a tooling and equipment supplier, so some D6-51991 clauses, like SPECIAL TOOLING, will be significantly different for us than for a parts supplier that uses Boeing owned tooling.

Here's my procedure and flow diagram; have a look and then let us know if you have specific questions as you write yours.

 

[ctexas20]

Hi! Welcome to the cove.

Are you a direct supplier, or sub tier supplier? I didn't think a company could be an approved Boeing supplier without DPD approval - even if that company is using only drawings. Do you have access to SQIS?

Anywho, I wrote our DPD procedure in the same outline as D6-51991. Except that I have 3.11 Problem Reporting and Corrective Action, because one of our customers, whose customer is Boeing, is still using a DPD checklist from 2 revisions ago and wrote an NC because my procedure didn't have it in there.

I took the standard, copied the outline, then filled it in with how our company does stuff. It involved IT, Program Management, Inspection (we have CMMs and Laser Trackers), Manufacturing Support (which is what we call the guys that make limited dimension detail drawings and write our CNC programs), Purchasing and Design. I went and talked with all of those functions and filled in the outline until I had all the requirements covered.

We are a tooling and equipment supplier, so some D6-51991 clauses, like SPECIAL TOOLING, will be significantly different for us than for a parts supplier that uses Boeing owned tooling.

Here's my procedure and flow diagram; have a look and then let us know if you have specific questions as you write yours.

Cari, Happy New year; hopefully.
We are a direct supplier and I do have SQIS access. We was given supplier approval since we were only working off of Legacy drawings and followed all D1-4426 requirements but we will now be suppling parts fabricated off Model drawings and possible tooling fixtures as needed , so yes, Boeing can approve supplier status without being DPD approved. But now the fun begins for me bringing us up to DPD compliant.

Thank you for your shared documents, I for sure will be using for my models. We have here practically the same departments you do other than design since we only produce replacements parts from the 50's to current designs.

I will take your advise and get to it, looking to present for assessment in 2 months.

Many thanks

 

[Cari Spears]

Happy New Year to you too!

Well, I already learned something new this year.

Stop me if I'm telling you something you already know, but because you phrased it the way you did ("...will be using for my models.") - DPD includes drawings. The model is the authority dataset, and 2D drawings are one type of dataset derivative.

 

[ctexas20]

Yes the phrase I should had choose was "...will be using as my template" I like the way you formatted your manual.
I appreciate all of your experience you have been providing to this forum. I hope one day I can be of some help to others as well.

 

[panjia]

I sat with the people who actually do perform these activities and wrote the procedure and related documents, and I am the Lead Internal Auditor and audit the DPD process, but I don't actually perform any of the activities described.