Bookmarking my security protected IEC 60601-1 .pdf file

Jean_B

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#11
I regret the irony that there's a standard on the Portable Document Format (PDF), allowing many user-friendly options (rotated pages for landscape, bookmarks, ToC, hyperlinks, layouts, sets of page numbers with appropriate section headings so I know where the h* I am in the document, vector images, commenting, searchability, copying text, being the relatively simple things that come to mind) and standards organisations do not add that possible value to their products.

Sometimes they even remove such value (bookmarks) versus the source (some IEC standards to national standards) or mess up the bookmark links to uselessness.

Do note, some non-standards but supposed exemplary organisations befall the same fate: If you try to simply read and cross-reference some MDSAP companion guide content you'll be scrolling hither and forth with little inkling where you are while the ToC is unhelpfully sparse. Likewise for the 175 page EU MDR without corrigenda thought its sections are at least more numerous and it is fixable with a lot of time as its PDF save was unsecured. At least until the corrigenda roll along and the toss-up begins (EU MDR C1 consolidated PDF does have its Table of Contents, yay).
So while I can understand the 'license' type of use, I very much dislike that that seems to be the single PDF option such organization invest so heavily in and would stand firmly behind @Marc . Many a professional's hour is lost for what could have been gained by some hours work from only a few at the source. In typical ISO style: this customer (unmet) need is known, yet no endeavour is seemingly made to meet it other than the next online platform you'll need to subscribe to. Irony to hypocrisy.
 
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Al Rosen

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#13
Your copy is copyrighted (included the DRM), so if you breaking the security and change it, you are breaking the copyright.
So they'll sue me? I haven't sold it or even given it away. I think they'll have to show they were harmed and how much$$. It would make great headlines.:sarcasm: How petty it would be. Making an example of my breaking the security to improve the usability of the document. I'm sure big brother is watching me. Note: more:sarcasm:
 

Marcelo

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#14
So they'll sue me? I haven't sold it or even given it away. I think they'll have to show they were harmed and how much$$. It would make great headlines.:sarcasm: How petty it would be. Making an example of my breaking the security to improve the usability of the document. I'm sure big brother is watching me. Note: more:sarcasm:
I'm sorry, but I was not talking about your situation.

As I mentioned before, I was trying to tell the OP that bypassing the security features is a copyright infringement. I do not have problems with people doing anything in general, as long as they know what they are doing, and I've noticed that several people do not understand that some "simple" actions might be a problem.

For example, medical device manufacturers (and others) need to perform literature reviews, which include getting access to papers. What they usually do it to get access through a library service (which they do not understand is a breach of the copyright of the agreement signed between the library and the paper copyright holder). Even when they do buy the papers (and several do), they are sometimes required to present copies to evaluators (such as notified bodies), and they simply send a copy of the document they have (sometimes without understanding that this is also a copyright infringement, because the agreement does not enable distribution).

It's obviously that in "personal" situations, in general, people would not suffer consequences, but I think it's important to be aware that what your are doing is breaking something, and know the possible consequences.
 

Al Rosen

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#15
I'm sorry, but I was not talking about your situation.
Actually you posted in response to my post about how it's possible to add bookmarks by opening and saving a pdf in Chrome. There are also other apps that work as well, but it depends on the level of security. Certainly the organizations that maintain the documents are entitled to compensation. It's too bad that the individuals like yourself are not compensated for their efforts in developing them. :agree:
 

Marcelo

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#16
Actually you posted in response to my post about how it's possible to add bookmarks by opening and saving a pdf in Chrome. There are also other apps that work as well, but it depends on the level of security. Certainly the organizations that maintain the documents are entitled to compensation. It's too bad that the individuals like yourself are not compensated for their efforts in developing them. :agree:
Now that you mentioned it, I noted that I did not quote the first post, which was my target for comment. Sorry for the confusion.

Regarding the way to bypass, there's several ways, even software, to do that, however, they do depend on the level of security as you mentioned, and also, some DRM are used by "creating"a document from scratch from parts and the making a displays that feels like a pdf, but in practice it's not (although the file is a pdf in your hard drive), and these are the ones that are somewhat unbreakable.

Regarding your comments on individuals working on creating documents such as standards, in my opinion, I don't think direct compensation is necessary because it's better being a voluntary work (as has always been), but it also does not mean that I have no compensation (although indirectly) - one of the reasons I do not need to active market my services is because these participations are one way to market myself. So in the end, I do get something in return (as is the case of all participants).
 
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