Can I use Technical Data Sheet as Material Test Results in PPAP

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logitechmar

#1
Dear everybody!

I'm Loc, QA Manager in Vietnam.

Last week, my customer requested PPAP level 4 for a new product. One of their requirements is Material Test Results, I informed my coworker in Material Dept. to collect Material Test Results, but he sent me Technical Data Sheet. I understand the differences between Material Test Results and Technical Data Sheet. But he cannot do better.

Therefore, my question is "Can I use Technical Data Sheet as Material Test Results to send Customer?

Can you please give me some appropriate advices!
Thanks,
Loc
 
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#2
Dear everybody!

I'm Loc, QA Manager in Vietnam.

Last week, my customer requested PPAP level 4 for a new product. One of their requirements is Material Test Results, I informed my coworker in Material Dept. to collect Material Test Results, but he sent me Technical Data Sheet. I understand the differences between Material Test Results and Technical Data Sheet. But he cannot do better.

Therefore, my question is "Can I use Technical Data Sheet as Material Test Results to send Customer?

Can you please give me some appropriate advices!
Thanks,
Loc
In general, actual test reports are required, but a lot depends on what your customer expects. The PPAP manual is very clear on the fact that material testing is the responsibility of the supplier. In actual practice, it's not uncommon for all manner of worthless certs to be accepted by customers.

What kind of material are you dealing with, and where does it come from?
 

somashekar

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#3
But he cannot do better.
???
On a request to the supplier you must be able to get the batch material test results.
The TDS are with more typical values in them and say little about a batch. I would not replace the material test result with the material TDS, nor accept it from my suppliers.
And a warm welcome to the cove logitechmar ~~~
 
L

logitechmar

#4
Dear all!

Firstly, I would like thank for your advices. They are very useful.

Materials which I talked are grilamid TR60 (MSDS plastic) - we bought this and sent our supplier to make shape; rubber Oring - my coworker bought from traditional market in my country and sent me the Technical data sheet of other company as material test result.

Base on your replies, I will discuss with him again.

Best regards,
Loc
 

kuyakut

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#5
Since you buy it from a traditional market , you should have tested it to make sure what you buy is what you get. TDS are a general info irregardless of how many batches and lot they produce. TDS is a sort of guidelines only.


Kuyakut
 
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ankey

#6
I experienced such case many times, if supplier could not do better (submit what you really need), they should submit the certs at least in my opinion. Some supplier do not want to share others too much unless you are the BIG customer to them..
 
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logitechmar

#7
I agree with ankey, you are from PRC, therefore you understand clearly my concern. at my country, you can buy everything without Material cert. at traditional market or from a company. They submit only Material certs when you require them.
 
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