Can you use parts from Run at Rate to use in your PPAP?

niotusen

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#1
Hi there, have some thoughts, If you do a Run at Rate, can you use parts from Run @ Rate to use in your PPAP? Or shall you keep theese separated?

Can you do a Run at Rate before PPAP, or shall you make a Run at Rate after your PPAP is done?

Isnt the Run at Rate a similar process, you are doing a validation/approval of your process like PPAP?

Or shall we think different?

How do you do if you have both Run at rate and PPAP as your CSR?

Thoughts?
Thanks!
 
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This information should be called out in the CSR. GM for example has [email protected] -8 weeks from SOP but PPAP at -15 weeks from SOP. Please don't hold me to those dates they are off the top of my head. They have a schedule I think GM1927-2 and it gives you a time line of when to have these milestones complete. Also you can ask for [email protected] and PPAPs to be ran together. As I have made widgets for GM that was at a small volume my SQE allowed me to run both at the same time and use the reduced quantity for my PPAP also.
 

Ninja

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In my experience...the customer can handle it however they want. Ask them.

I've never once...ever...seen an automotive supplier follow the timeline they established...nor any set forth in a requirements standard or contract.

In my experience, the entire PPAP process runs on n=1, and [email protected] is done after SOP (with a lot of yelling and screaming by SQE and purchasing, overruled by engineering).
{I've been an automotive supplier for 15+ years}

Ask your automotive customer what they suggest. They can bend/break/ignore all of the rules if they want.
 

Golfman25

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In my experience...the customer can handle it however they want. Ask them.

I've never once...ever...seen an automotive supplier follow the timeline they established...nor any set forth in a requirements standard or contract.

In my experience, the entire PPAP process runs on n=1, and [email protected] is done after SOP (with a lot of yelling and screaming by SQE and purchasing, overruled by engineering).
{I've been an automotive supplier for 15+ years}

Ask your automotive customer what they suggest. They can bend/break/ignore all of the rules if they want.
While they certainly can, if your IATF you better get it in writing. Otherwise you could get dinged against customer specific requirements.
 

optomist1

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#5
Typically, actually ideally, output from a "successful PDR or Run at Rate" feeds both PPAP LAB or functional and PPAP DIM or dimensional.....LAB at least in the automotive arena is a series of customer/engineering designated or selected tests.

Customer specific requirements or CSRs, or for that matter the OEM's lead or Chief Engineer can modify as they see fit...it is their call. The thinking is once the process has successfully completed the PDR or RAR, this represents what the OEM expects to see in terms of quality, volume....etc. at launch....of course this assumes that the part(s) successfully complete PPAP LAB & DIM as well
Hope this helps....
 
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