CBs are not permitted to certify to AS9100 Rev C until 2011? True or False?

[dv8shane]

I have just been advised during my company's registration audit to AS9100B that AS9100C will be available through QMI SAI Global to AS9100C this year once the auditors complete training as the auditor checklist has been approved. Also I received an email stating that my surveillance audit will be done next year to AS9100C as it is due in August which is past the June date they will accept. Hope this helps

 

[Joy]

This is for Ramansarin and friends from India

Now there are AS9100 Rev.C qualified auditors in India.Also there are few CBs who got accreditation for Rev.C has Indian operation.By November there will be more auditors available.So you would find that the CBs will change their stand soon.
Hope this information will help to consultants and organisations still hesitating about Rev.C.

 

[regqueen]

I work for a registrar - one of my customers in Alberta Canada went through the Stage 2 registration audit for AS9100C audit last week.
Short answers is yes, they are being done now!

 

[Joy]

Still some CBs are asking their clients (going for recertification) to go for Rev.B and not able to give any assurance for Rev.C till first quarter of 2011.Is it only due to lack of pro-activeness from CBs or intention to fool the clients?As no Rev.B audit would be allowed after 1st July 2011,all these organisations has to go for upgrade in next audit .Upgrade audit would need additional man-days.So the client will pay twice for additional man-days;now for recertification and in next audit for upgradation.
Of course there are exceptions and few CBs are honestly communicating to clients about their inability to provide this service but this category is very rare.
Caution for organisations going for recertification or fresh certification-Check all aspects carefully.

About India: There are now three CBs operating in India have Rev.C accreditation and one is having auditors available for Rev.C audits.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Still some CBs are asking their clients (going for recertification) to go for Rev.B and not able to give any assurance for Rev.C till first quarter of 2011.Is it only due to lack of pro-activeness from CBs or intention to fool the clients?As no Rev.B audit would be allowed after 1st July 2011,all these organisations has to go for upgrade in next audit .Upgrade audit would need additional man-days.So the client will pay twice for additional man-days;now for recertification and in next audit for upgradation.
Of course there are exceptions and few CBs are honestly communicating to clients about their inability to provide this service but this category is very rare.

With the respect you deserve, I believe your wide-brush remark is way off the mark here. There is a reason for the fact that, as of this minute, the number of AS91X0:2009 certificates listed in OASIS equals zero.

Your comment concerning registrants paying twice is seriously flawed. The transition audit from AS9100B to AS9100C, performed either during a surveillance or re-certification audits has it's audit days estimated as per the IAQG Supplemental Rule Document, hyperlinked elsewhere several times. CB's don't make that rule; we follow it.

And, if one looks at the list of Accredited AS CB's around the World, one will see that very few CB's outside the US have been accredited for the new versions of the Standard.

 

[dv8shane]

With the respect you deserve, I believe your wide-brush remark is way off the mark here. There is a reason for the fact that, as of this minute, the number of AS91X0:2009 certificates listed in OASIS equals zero.

Your comment concerning registrants paying twice is seriously flawed. The transition audit from AS9100B to AS9100C, performed either during a surveillance or re-certification audits has it's audit days estimated as per the IAQG Supplemental Rule Document, hyperlinked elsewhere several times. CB's don't make that rule; we follow it.

And, if one looks at the list of Accredited AS CB's around the World, one will see that very few CB's outside the US have been accredited for the new versions of the Standard.

I really have to agree with you. My CB quoted on 3 years including the change to 9100C and the implication Joy has made in regards to the way CB's are not advising customers they may have to to pay extra charges appears to me to be totally unfounded, When you sign on to be registered through an IAQG registrar it is a 3 year contract and specifies the charges.

 

[Joy]

My CB quoted on 3 years including the change to 9100C

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You are having a good CB.

Sidney has missed second half of my last posting where I mentioned that there are exceptions.

It is fact that outside USA, accreditation to Rev.C is limited but those accredited in USA operates in other countries too and issue certificates under ANAB accreditation.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

I really have to agree with you. My CB quoted on 3 years including the change to 9100C and the implication Joy has made in regards to the way CB's are not advising customers they may have to to pay extra charges appears to me to be totally unfounded, When you sign on to be registered through an IAQG registrar it is a 3 year contract and specifies the charges.

It should be noted that the IAQG Supplemental Rule Document defining the transition process, including estimation of audit days, was released at the end of May 2010. If you signed a contract with a CB prior to that date, there is no way that the CB could have provided accurate pricing information. Furthermore, when AS9104/1 gets released, very likely, the number of audit days required for the AS91X0:2009 audits will change again*. So, registrants have to realize that the rules associated with the IAQG A,S&D ICOP process are dynamic and will impact their certification costs, over time.

* See ANAB HU187, duly attached.

Because SR001 deals with transition, it obviously does not cover new clients. Therefore, questions keep coming up in regard to audit days for new clients seeking certification to 9100/9110/9120:2009. CBs still need to use IAF MD 5 and table 2 of the current AS9104 (or AS9014), and because AS9101D requires that additional tools be completed, the audit day calculation process needs to consider how much more time 9101D will take and make sure the audit day calculations include additional time. Per ISO 17021, section 9.1.4, “…for each client the certification body shall determine the time needed to plan and accomplish a complete and effective audit of the client's management system.” CBs and their clients must understand that the requirements will change in the future, so CBs will have to re-quote audit time when the new requirements (9104/1) are published and become effective.
ANAB previously said a CB could use the 9104/1 draft audit day table for new clients. However, based on ongoing ballot activity within IAQG, we’ve found that using the draft 9104/1 document may not be appropriate at this time.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

During the IAQG meeting this week, in York, UK, a request has been submitted to postpone the two deadlines (July 1[sup]st[/sup], 2011 and July 1[sup]st[/sup], 2012) by 6 months. The IAQG council is evaluating the request. Apparently, the request is due to the "slower" deployment of the AATT courses in Europe. At this time, there is only one CB in Europe accredited for the 2009 versions of the AS Standards. It seems to me that the IAQG Council will closely monitor the progress, in terms of auditor approvals, CB accreditation and supplier transition, before agreeing with the delay.

A revision to the Supplemental Rules Document (SR001 - Dated 18 May 2010) is also being worked on.