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Certificate of Compliance - Put a form number on it or not?

Ninja

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#11
I'm in favor of that! But I'm trying to train a culture of no control to some control. I'll use a date!
Of course it's your call...and I hesitate to play with the words (but will anyway)

Instead of moving from "no control" to "some control"...move from "no control" to "control where needed"

I figure you're probably doing that already...I'm just using different words...
 
#12
Remember ISO 9001 does not require ANY form numbers! Nor does it require document ID numbers.
True, not specifically. But it does require that documented info determined by the company as being necessary for the effectiveness of the QMS be adequately managed. If the wrong form gets sent because there is no system to identify which one goes to who, the clause is not satisfied.
 

hogheavenfarm

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#13
Not to beat this to death, but you only will need "identification" if there is more than one CoA or CoC. That "Identification" does not even have to be a number, revision or date. We are also a smaller shop but we have two CoC's, one for "Services" (we may just do some machining on a customer part), and one for "product" (we make assemblies to spec). Each CoC is written specifically for either a "Service" (fill in the blank for what was done), or the "product" (fill in the item name and reference the spec). The chance of sending the "wrong" CoC is minimized as they are visually different. I have even worked for companies that used color as an identifier. There are many options outside the box of conventional thought.
 
#14
Thanks everyone. I do have a couple of variations of CofC's because I have to for different customers. I never went with any ID. Works for me.
 

Ninja

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#15
Howdy,

Just a question to flesh out your decision...
I do have a couple of variations of CofC's because I have to for different customers. I never went with any ID. Works for me.
It works for you. How does it error proof (or does it need error proofing?) when you're on vacation and someone else is doing it?
How do they know which variation to send?
 
#16
Howdy,

Just a question to flesh out your decision...


It works for you. How does it error proof (or does it need error proofing?) when you're on vacation and someone else is doing it?
How do they know which variation to send?
Never on vacation for a Source Inspection....which I am directly responsible for attending/escorting. I don't do vacations anyways. Personnel can always take a previous cert and change the data...then they are using the "correct" one for that customer.
 

hogheavenfarm

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#17
Ours is somewhat like that also. Generally we take a previous cert for that company and replace the product and order info with the new material and post that. Anyone is capable of doing it, can they send the wrong cert freom a different company? Yes, they could send one from a different company, but that has not happened since I have worked here, it would take some serious overlooking by all the people involved in that chain. Worst case? They ask for another corrected one. If I am not here for some reason, certs don't go out. They pile up on my desk waiting for my return. If I left not to return...well... they would probably continue to pile up until some poor chap would be assigned to sign them and send them out. Eventually.
 
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