Certificate of Registration - No expiration indicator on the certificate - Why?

[Douglas E. Purdy]

Certificate of Registration - Requirements

Doesn't the RAB have some requirement for the Registering Body to indicate on the Certificate the duration of the Registration? I am looking at a NSF-ISR certificate that gives the Issue Date and Date of Initial Registration, but I do not see any limitation as to the duration. The same goes for when I went to the NSF-ISR website. Does this make since, or am I missing something?

Thanks,
Doug

 

[CarolX]

Douglass,

Take a look at this thread

http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=3642

I believe the discussion was related to continous registration, which I believe is no longer allowed.

Hope this helps.

CarolX

 

[Sidney Vianna]

I believe that one should contact the RAB and ask them directly.
There is another thread that you can also look into:
http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=5015&page=2&pp=15

One thing that is not clear is the RAB letter text that states:
This audit must be carried out “at the time that it is to be re-assessed”.

If the ABs still allow for certificates with no expiration date, so when exactly is the "time that it is to be re-assessed?

 

[Aaron Lupo]

Doesn't the RAB have some requirement for the Registering Body to indicate on the Certificate the duration of the Registration? I am looking at a NSF-ISR certificate that gives the Issue Date and Date of Initial Registration, but I do not see any limitation as to the duration. The same goes for when I went to the NSF-ISR website. Does this make since, or am I missing something?

Thanks,
Doug

Douglas when was the Certificate issued is the company you work for or a Certificate from one of your suppliers?

I know that NSF-ISR started issuing Certs. in April of this year with expiration dates on them so it is possible if the did not have any changes to the Cert Scope or if they have not had a Surveillance audit since April that they will still have a Cert witout an expiration date.

 

[gpainter]

Most discussion is in the thread cited. My understanding is the reassessment will take place at the last surveillance audit before the registration expires and will require additional days.

 

[Cari Spears]

...related to continous registration, which I believe is no longer allowed...

And what ISO Guy said.

Yep - We use NSF-ISR and our original ISO9002:1994 certificate issued Jan2001 did not have an expiration date. So, we still had a certificate w/out an expiration date up until a couple months ago. We upgraded in Sep2003 - so now our certificate expires 9-24-06.

 

[C Emmons]

Most discussion is in the thread cited. My understanding is the reassessment will take place at the last surveillance audit before the registration expires and will require additional days.

When I contacted my Reigstrar regarding this issue they stated it depended on total time over all during the course of the audit so additional time would not be necessary.

Here is the actual email correspondance I received:
Cindy:
What the IFA guidlines are saying is in the last year (SA# 5 and #6) the total amount of man-days added together needs to equal 2/3 of the time required for a registration audit. As it stands now, in 1 year’s time, we do 12 surveillance days per year (6 sites/1 day each/every six months). You are more than covered. And I know, I know, the explaination letter sucked - I’ve already voiced my opinion on that to top management.

 

[Douglas E. Purdy]

Sorry for Delayed Response!

CarolX
Take a look at this thread...

Carol,
Thanks for the link on continuous registration!

ISO Guy & Cari Spears (et.al.),

The cert is to ISO 9001:1994 (with QS-9000 TE Supplement: 1998). It is a supplier certification. I really do not know the status of QS-9000 TE and how it would relate to the December 2003 deadline to upgrade from 1994 to 2000! Any information on this relationship would be helpful, and I would be grateful.

Thanks,
Doug

 

[Rob Nix]

(from: Doug Purdy) The cert is to ISO 9001:1994 (with QS-9000 TE Supplement: 1998). It is a supplier certification. I really do not know the status of QS-9000 TE and how it would relate to the December 2003 deadline to upgrade from 1994 to 2000! Any information on this relationship would be helpful, and I would be grateful.

The QS-9000 / TE Supplement certification is good until 12/2006, HOWEVER, the certificate cannot reference the ISO-9001:1994 standard anymore (it is kinda divorced from it until the tooling and equipment standards are clarified).

 

[Douglas E. Purdy]

Need New Certificate?

Rob Nix,

Thanks for the information. So if the TE Supplement is with the ISO-9001:1994, then the organization needs to get a separate Certificate?!

In our situtation (7.4.1), where we are allowing organizations to supply a certification to a Quality Management System as oppose to providing our Self-Check (Type of Survey), then we need to have a new cert next month or a Self-Check - Right?

Doug