Changes in AS9100 Revision C - The scope of AS9100 has been broadened

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

This slide gives a good hint of potential enhancements being discussed for Rev. C of AS9100.

For the whole presentation, browse Dion - Requirements Strategy Stream.

 

[AndyJP - 2012]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

Hi
Speaking as a contractor who does some defence work that is not aerospace biased the use of aerospace standards will not work. I ahve in the past few years worked for two major UK based defence fims on both marine and land weapon systems and both have wanted automotive practices to be introduced. I am now contracting to a large aerospace firm and again they want automotive practices as the teh aerospace ones just do not cut it for the desiging in of quality to the product or supply base. Or have I missed something.

As for ISO is 1985 - allways though the USA was slow on the uptake as teh standard it came from was BS 5750 which surfaced is 1979 and before that AQAP standards...

Not wanting to tar all US suppliers with the same brush the worst ones on many of these projects have been US ISO9000 / AS9100 suppliers

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

Hi
Speaking as a contractor who does some defence work that is not aerospace biased the use of aerospace standards will not work. I ahve in the past few years worked for two major UK based defence fims on both marine and land weapon systems and both have wanted automotive practices to be introduced. I am now contracting to a large aerospace firm and again they want automotive practices as the teh aerospace ones just do not cut it for the desiging in of quality to the product or supply base. Or have I missed something.

You might have missed a spell checker ...And I am not referring to defence vs. defense. There are some automotive tools such as APQP that Aerospace organizations could implement and benefit from, but in this side of the Atlantic, I don't see Defense contractors implementing automotive standards. The Aerospace OEMs are starting to develop standards defining how processes (e.g. New Product Introduction) are supposed to be conducted (a scary thought!:mg: ). For more information on this, browse this presentation.

 

[AndyJP - 2012]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

My spiel chucker was on strike yesterday.

Now that is very interesting about the NPI and a push towards process capability. I have spent the past two months sorting out our requirements for the supply chain and now the APQP issues for our internal processes.

I will admit I have cheated a bit and based in on Ford's systems as I know that one to work most of the time.

The supply base one has been accepted.

I was very interested to see that both Boeing and Airbus are pushing for these as they are both major customers of my client and we just put a bid / tender document in that has the supply chain issues in it.

If you would like to see where we are so far I am willing to send you a copy but untill it is all done and dusted I'll not be putting it out there in the cove for all to see yet.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

This Quality Digest article gives us some hints of the upcoming changes to AS9100

The article is available at http://www.qualitydigest.com/feb07/articles/03_article.shtml

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

Some of the IAQG resolutions (see attached log), such as # 37, 39 & 40 also give some insight on the upcoming changes of AS9100 Rev. C.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Rev.C?

The attached presentation (from the last IAQG meeting in Orlando, FL) gives a pretty good indication of some of the changes to the 9100 document, as well a significant revamping of the 9101 checklist to allow for a true process based approach. Further, it indicates that 9100 Rev. C will be ready for publication around November 2008. Finally, it gives some information about additional initiatives and enhancements to the ICOP process, in response to rumblings concerning the integrity of a percentage of 9100 certificates out there.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Revision C?

The balance of the IAQG presentations available for download from the Orlando meeting are available via this link.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

There we go...

Got a copy of the Coordination Draft of AS9100 Rev.C, dated November 8th, 2007. Still digesting the changes. But one thing that caught my attention are the anticipated adders additional requirements for "risk management". Section 7.1.2 of AS9100 draft states

7.1.2 Risk Management
The organization shall establish a process for managing risk to the achievement of customer requirements. As a minimum the process shall provide for the
a) assignment of responsibilities for risk management,
b) definition of the criteria for risk acceptance,
c) identification, assessment and communication of risks throughout product realization,
d) identification, implementation and management of actions to mitigate risks that are above the defined acceptance criteria, and
e) acceptance of risks remaining after implementation of mitigating actions.​

What concerns me is how this is going to be flown down and explained to hundreds of small machine shops currently certified and a few hundred more going for certification. Explaining risk exposure, risk acceptance, risk avoidance, risk mitigation, etc... to unsophisticated users will be a monumental task or we might end up with another wave of meaningless "managing risk" procedures...but guaranteed to pass an audit....Don't get me wrong, managing risk is critical. As long as you are in business, you will have risks to be managed. But not all business owners understand the concept. The word risk appears 16 times in this draft of 9100 Rev.C. Interesting, indeed.

 

[Anne Johnson]

Re: What will change in AS9100 Revision C?

Where could I get a draft copy of the new rev?