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mibusha

#51
I dealt with PJ a year and a half ago. Be sure they know you want certification, not compliance. They have trouble understanding the difference. And be sure you get a qualified TE auditor. Twice they sent ISO 9000 qualified auditors to do a QS 9000 TE audit.

Michael
 
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Jim Evans

#52
Thanks for the help. I should also mention the PJR proposal calls for surveillence audits of 1 day every six months. And yes the idea is to combine the two companies into a single audit scheme however we will maintain 2 separate and distinct quality systems. It was my understanding that different quality management systems even in the same facility are required to be audited separately with each having it's own certificate.

Jim Evans
 
J

Jim Evans

#53
An addendum to my previous post. Our present auditor is calling for 6 days for registration audit and 5 surveillence audits every 6 months of 1 day each. The PJR proposal has the same surveillence scheme but only 2 days for the registration audit. I am concerned about the large discrepency in the registration days. Could this be a problem for me down the road?

Regards,

Jim
 
#54
Jim, We presently use PJR and I will share our experience with you.

1- PJR uses the same auditors that most other registrars use.
2- High staff turnover rate in there scheduling department.
3- Poor scheduling performance,i.e. scheduled auditor from cal. to do audit in the southwest; resulted in $1400 airfare.
Two auditors arrive at the airport at the same time,diff. flights, and each one rents a car, again resulting in added cost
4- The main office/auditor WILL NOT return phone calls. All telephone contact must be handled through your account rep.
5- One "glitch" that came up during our registration audit; the auditor failed to document the review of our manual,we were told that this would not be a problem, however, when the audit results went up for review we were rejected. We were required to re-submit our manual for review which resulted in a three week delay of receiving our certificate.

I have not heard of the continuous audit program nor have I been able to find it in the QSM, however, as in in any contract get everything in writing.
I would further suggest an on-site meeting with the registrar you select prior to any contractural agreements.
 
T

Tom Goetzinger

#55
According to Schedule H of QS9000-TE, a company with 200 employees is required to have 8 on-site auditor days for the initial registration and 2 auditor days every 6 months for surveilance. This is not determined by the registrar, but by the standard. I have been told that it is likely I will need to have 4 auditor days for a 10 person company going to QS9000 and QS9000-TE at the same time; 2 auditor days for each standard, even though the requirements overlap considerably. While that may not be logical, I have been told that the RAB has been very stringent about that. Beware of anyone who says they can register your company in less days than the standard requires; there is something they are not telling you. Have them show you (in writing) how they propose to do it, and make sure that it has been approved by the RAB.
 
W

Wallybaloo

#56
Anybody seen the latest Registrar Survey in Quality Digest? My experiences with BSI, Lloyds and UL suggest that the survey is pretty good.
 
R

Roger Eastin

#57
I haven't heard too many people comment about Lloyds. Are they a good registrar? I know UL and I have heard some good things about BSI.
 
J

Jim Biz

#59
I had a copy e-mailed to me - but it is also net posted curently for the July Issue.

Looks as though it is better information than last years.... appears more comprehensive anyway.

Regards
Jim
 
L

lyman

#60
Roger: Motorola Semiconductor used Lloyd's when they registered in '98 and it was a really good experience for us (all departments were required to register as a group - if one failed we all failed)- we all passed. (Of course we also had Marc as one of our consultant's so the outcome was preordained!!) The auditor's were tough but willing to work with us when we felt there were discrepancies on how we/they were interpreting standards. Additionally, they were very careful not to consult but provided some guidance on how we might make our system comply and improve with standard requirements. All in all it was a thorough assessment audit and surveillances were getting tougher as they expected our system to be continuously improving (fair enough!)

Jim the Quality Digest link is: *** DEAD LINK REMOVED ***
 
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