Closing a finding before closing meeting

[ferize]

Hello,

So I did a lot of research but did not find any answer to my question. If an auditee has accepted and eliminated/corrected an observation before the closing meeting, can the auditor still write it as a finding in his/her report? More importantly is he/she allowed to do so? The audit I am interested is second/third party ISO 9001:2015 compliance audit. Your responses are highly appreciated, thanks!

 

[Johnny Quality]

Hello ferize,

What standard is this in relation to and what party audit are you thinking of (first, second, third)?

 

[ferize]

Hello ferize,

What standard is this in relation to and what party audit are you thinking of (first, second, third)?

Hello,

Thank you for pointing it out, I edited my post. The standard is ISO 9001:2015, party both second and third.

 

[John Broomfield]

What evidence do you have that the root causes of this nonconformity were removed from the system responsible?

Correction or elimination of a nonconformity is not enough; a good start perhaps but not enough until the auditee has determined and removed the root causes.

 

[ferize]

What evidence do you have that the root causes of this nonconformity were removed from the system responsible?

Correction or elimination of a nonconformity is not enough; a good start perhaps but not enough until the auditee has determined a removed the root causes.

It is not a nonconformity, but an observation.

 

[Bev D]

observations do not require action or response.

 

[John Broomfield]

Sorry, but why bother with an Observation?

 

[Mike S.]

I agree with Bev and John.

Further, I think it is still valid for the auditor to make a note of it. But in my experience 3rd party auditors will no longer write observations. If I am doing a second party audit I would probably still mention it, and maybe note that it was corrected before I left. But correction doesn't mean it won't reoccur.

 

[somashekar]

Hello,

So I did a lot of research but did not find any answer to my question. If an auditee has accepted and eliminated/corrected an observation before the closing meeting, can the auditor still write it as a finding in his/her report? More importantly is he/she allowed to do so? The audit I am interested is second/third party ISO 9001:2015 compliance audit. Your responses are highly appreciated, thanks!

Hi... As far as second party audit is concerned, its purely upto the auditor to accept, if he feels that this is setting things right that were noted to be wrong but was not systamtic in nature.
However in the third party audit, if it's not written up as an NC, then it is the organization ernest effort to correct the fault, and to perhaps show it up to the auditor. You are not going to ask for the correction thou...
You as the auditor can never the less state these obervations as Improvement areas quoting the instances, and leave it to the top management to address.

 

[John Broomfield]

I agree with Bev and John.

Further, I think it is still valid for the auditor to make a note of it. But in my experience 3rd party auditors will no longer write observations. If I am doing a second party audit I would probably still mention it, and maybe note that it was corrected before I left. But correction doesn't mean it won't reoccur.

Indeed, and correction suggests something was wrong (aka a nonconformity).

Please note:: that word correction has now been removed from the original question.