Company President as an Internal Auditor

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rfisher

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Hello, my name is Roger Fisher, Quality/Safety Manager of a small 60 person company in Western Kentucky, USA. My boss, the president, requests to be able to perform internal audits. He has been trained and is willing. What are your thoughts on the President being an auditor? I would greatly appreciate any feedback.

Sincerely,

Roger Fisher
 
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dbulak

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Re: President as an Internal Auditor

I had the same question several years ago and if you look you can find the replies in the forum that were sent to me. The president should audit because he is the president. It is his company and has the right to know how the quality management system is functioning. Provided that he audits in a professional manner there is nothing wrong with doing the audit.
 

Coury Ferguson

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Re: President as an Internal Auditor

Hello, my name is Roger Fisher, Quality/Safety Manager of a small 60 person company in Western Kentucky, USA. My boss, the president, requests to be able to perform internal audits. He has been trained and is willing. What are your thoughts on the President being an auditor? I would greatly appreciate any feedback.

Sincerely,

Roger Fisher
I think it is a great idea. Top Management involved. :applause: Just make sure the he/she doesn't audit their own work.
 
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Dean Frederickson

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Re: President as an Internal Auditor

I wish someone in top management would do that where I work. I would think you will get all the support you need. My hats off to you.
 

Jen Kirley

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I agree with Randy. My question is his ability to:

1. Obtain freely spoken and truthful remarks from people he audits. Does the culture support his receiving unbiased information?

2. Receive the information objectively. How would he process bad news on something he believes should be working or reflects negatively on someone he supports?

3. Connect the dots between areas he's familiar with and not familiar with. How good is he at recognizing performance strengths that affect each other across departments?

4. Empower others to solve the issues and monitor the progress with a minimum of interference.

I find a potential struggle in his performing this role given he's the one with ultimate hiring and firing power. Again, the culture management has built is the key to this idea succeeding.
 

Jim Wynne

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Hello, my name is Roger Fisher, Quality/Safety Manager of a small 60 person company in Western Kentucky, USA. My boss, the president, requests to be able to perform internal audits. He has been trained and is willing. What are your thoughts on the President being an auditor? I would greatly appreciate any feedback.

Sincerely,

Roger Fisher
Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood devil's advocate: how can a CEO be considered an independent auditor if he's responsible for all of the company's processes?
 

SteelMaiden

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8.2.2 .... Selection of auditors and conduct of audits shall ensure objectivity and impartiality of the audit process. Auditors shall not audit their own work.

There is no place in the 9001 standard that says that an auditor cannot audit any process in which they share any responsibility. If the boss can be objective, and impartial, (which is what we should be expecting from any internal auditor) then by all means let him audit. What a wonderful way to show management commitment to the process.
 
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chergh - 2008

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If the boss isn't being impartial and objective are you going to feel comfortable telling him that?

Another aspect to consider.
 

Jim Wynne

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8.2.2 .... Selection of auditors and conduct of audits shall ensure objectivity and impartiality of the audit process. Auditors shall not audit their own work.

There is no place in the 9001 standard that says that an auditor cannot audit any process in which they share any responsibility. If the boss can be objective, and impartial, (which is what we should be expecting from any internal auditor) then by all means let him audit. What a wonderful way to show management commitment to the process.
I think that in some instances it might be impossible to insure objectivity and impartiality. it depends on the motives and general modus operandi of the CEO, and because there are an awful lot of them who can't be trusted, I'm not sure I like the idea as a general practice.
 
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