Company President as an Internal Auditor

ScottK

Not out of the crisis
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#21
Which suggests that his "second party" (internal auditors) can't be trusted to provide accurate information, or if they can be trusted, that he can't be trusted to do anything with it. :(
I don't think it suggests that at all.
I think it suggests a willingness to actively participate in important initiatives.

It really comes down knowing the individual, which we don't.

:shrug:
 
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Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#24
Which suggests that his "second party" (internal auditors) can't be trusted to provide accurate information, or if they can be trusted, that he can't be trusted to do anything with it. :(

No, I wouldn't interpret it that harshly. But, an executive will often see things from a different angle than regular auditors. I still think it would be an interesting experiment.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#25
No, I wouldn't interpret it that harshly. But, an executive will often see things from a different angle than regular auditors. I still think it would be an interesting experiment.
Here's what I was commenting about:
KenK said:
He'll see first hand how the system is working without hearing about it from a second party.
So, if the second party is providing reliable information, why do I need to audit? Might it be a good thing for the Big Boss to tag along and observe? Maybe. But actually audit? Never.
 

Wes Bucey

Quite Involved in Discussions
#26
I not only agree, but it is something I have counseled for years. I am a great supporter of "management by walking around." Internal auditing is just a more structured version of MBWA.

One thing I am sure of - the internal audit will get a MUCH more respectful reception at Management Review!:notme:
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#27
Here's what I was commenting about:


So, if the second party is providing reliable information, why do I need to audit? Might it be a good thing for the Big Boss to tag along and observe? Maybe. But actually audit? Never.

Even if it is reliable info, the executive will see things from a different perspective. And, if he is particpating, his presence has already affected the audit. So, if he is going to take the time anyway, why not let him try it?
 

ScottK

Not out of the crisis
Staff member
Super Moderator
#28
Even if it is reliable info, the executive will see things from a different perspective. And, if he is particpating, his presence has already affected the audit. So, if he is going to take the time anyway, why not let him try it?
especially when we consider the OP was talking about a 60 person company.
I'm sure in that place the top guy knows everyone by name.

It might be a different story if Fred Hassan was on an audit team in Schering Plough's Union, NJ plant looking at incoming inspection. You bet the auditees would be scared poopless.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#29
Even if it is reliable info, the executive will see things from a different perspective.
Sorry, Helmut, but I'm not following you. If you give the executive reliable information--the information necessary to make good decisions--what difference does it make if she sees things from a different perspective? In my experience, that's more likely to complicate things.

And, if he is particpating, his presence has already affected the audit.
My point exactly.
 
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Bill Pflanz

#30
If the company president is available enough to the employees to receive suggestions and actually act on them then going through an audit does not prove anything. As far as showing that he understands what people do, even an auditor would find it difficult to say they understand a specific job just because they do an occasional audit of it. Collecting garbage for one sunny spring day does not give you an idea of what the job is like day in and day out.

I worked for a division vice president who was convinced he could relate to the employees by attending one of their improvement team meetings. What really happened was that when he spoke, they listened and did what he said. In discussing the event, he did not realize that his "examples" of how they could solve the problem were the only possibilities they considered. As I noted to him: When he talks, they consider him the CEO first and always. My vote is that it probably is not a useful activity for the CEO and the employees will not be as likely to freely express their comments during the audit.

Bill Pflanz
 
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