@Golfman25, this is exactly what management said 10 minutes ago when I recommended we include it! I cannot find a specific clause; however, considering our outsourced tool and die suppliers are minimally ISO 9001, logic is telling me the in-house machine shop has to be certified somehow (I keep circling back to what if the in-house machine shop made out-of-tolerance punches, causing nonconforming product to reach the customer? If the parts were from a certified supplier, we would have some level of comfort with their processes and controls. The in-house machine shop consists of 5 men with mad machining skills, but very little tolerance or discipline for paperwork... thankfully, we have had no issues with their product). I feel I am overthinking this - I appreciate the input!
Company purchased a machine shop - does it have to be included in the IATF scope?
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Johnnymo62
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As I mentioned before, the machine shop is now a Support Function by IATF definition (see comment 4). The machine shop is supporting the plant equipment used to make automotive parts.
Also, as I mentioned before, please review the standard to find clauses mentioning support functions. I'm not listing them.
Also, as I mentioned before, please review the standard to find clauses mentioning support functions. I'm not listing them.
You said you where a stamping company. So you outsource (an now insource) perishable tooling inserts -- punches and such. The closest clause is going to be 8.5.1.6 Management of production tooling . . . According to that clause you need to monitor the activities if outsourced, but there is no requirement for them to fall under supplier development and thus ISO/IATF requirements. (At least how I read it). From a risk standpoint, if you are IATF, there is zero chance that they will make a "out-of-tolerance punches, causing nonconforming product to reach the customer" because you'll need to verify the tooling prior to production under change control (8.5.6.1) or verification of set ups (8.5.1.3). You have certain procedures with regard to ordering these replacement parts, just follow them internally.
Johnnymo62
Haste Makes Waste
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I think we are getting caught up in the question. The original question was about IATF scope -- what is on the IATF certificate. That's a no.
But they are still part of the business, subject to their business procedures, and would be audited where their processes intermix with automotive issues, i.e.; tooling management.
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