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Company Scope stating Automotive has been deemed redundant and asked to remove...?

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Re: Company Scope stating Automotive has been deemed redundant and asked to remove...

I'm not surprised to hear this at all. The IAOB is very picky about what they allow in scope statements on certificates. They have been emphasizing to CB's over the last couple of years that they want the industry to "clean up" their scope statements. Removing the word "automotive" in scope statements is a practice I've seen for quite a while.

The IAOB's scrutiny also includes the names of "support functions" that can appear on the certificate. The CB that I do TS audits for actually has a list of acceptable support function names (blessed by the IAOB) that we must verify on certificates. I've been witnessed on two audits in the last 18 months, and know from personal experience how picky the witness auditors are...
 
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Re: Company Scope stating Automotive has been deemed redundant and asked to remove...

If there is no published requirement for deleting the word "automotive," why is your organization doing that? If it is not in ISO/TS 16949:2002, the CSRs, or your internal requirements, why address it at all? Perhaps this mysterious memo alludes to something in the Third Edition of Rules, to be released sometime in the near future. If you did not remove the term, would the CB write a nonconformity and state that the memo was the requirement? Hopefully, we are not doing something just because the registrar likes to see a certain way. My bottom line is that if there is no requirement for it, the organization does not have to do it.
 
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Re: Company Scope stating Automotive has been deemed redundant and asked to remove...

I made an inquiry about this topic through a CB I audit for, and here is the response I got back:
IAOB said:
The requirement for what words are appropriate or inappropriate in a ISO/TS scope statement is not clearly documented. The only reference I have ever been able to find is in the Rules 2nd edition roll out training to CB’s (see the slide about Rules section 5.b) created by Tripp Martin (which was before I started here at IAOB). The slide states “no reference to sales, warehousing, sequencing, packaging, servicing, etc” should be included in the scope statements. The use of the term “automotive” or “in the automotive industry” is not stated in the roll out slides, but the comment could have been made verbally.

Michelle Maxwell
Manager - Witness Audit Program
International Automotive Oversight Bureau
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Re: Company Scope stating Automotive has been deemed redundant and asked to remove...

I checked with my 'TS' Business Unit Manager, who's responsible for our automotive program and he said it's not specified anywhere that the wording of the scope should NOT include 'automotive'......
 
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Sharon_Noble

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Re: Company Scope stating Automotive has been deemed redundant and asked to remove...

Thanks for the response all. I will let our Director of Quality know your input before a decision is made to remove the word "Automotive" from our scope. Like I said this was not an NC, OFI, or even noted at our audit... it was simply shown to us prior to the audit as a "just so you know............":cool:
 
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