Control of Manufacturers Calibration Procedures

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moiraknows

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I am creating a procedure for document control and am wondering if we have to internally issue any manufacturer calibration procedures a unique identificaion number.
Thanks
Mo
 
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Stijloor

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Re: Control of Manufacturers Procedures

I am creating a procedure for document control and am wondering if we have to internally issue any manufacturer calibration procedures a unique identification number.
Thanks
Mo
Hello Mo,

I assume that you are referring to calibration procedures (hard copy) provided by the measuring and test equipment manufacturer? I've seen it done this way: Put them all in a binder, add a table of contents. Put a label on the binder and call it "Calibration Instructions." Done deal.

Electronic? Scan them in, name them, put them in a folder called: "Calibration Instructions." Because calibration instructions are equipment related, they are typically not subject to change. Keep it simple. Bottom line? Do what works best for you and your employees. You'll be OK.

Hope this helps.

Stijloor.
 
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moiraknows

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Re: Control of Manufacturers Procedures

Hello Mo,

I assume that you are referring to calibration procedures (hard copy) provided by the measuring and test equipment manufacturer? I've seen it done this way: Put them all in a binder, add a table of contents. Put a label on the binder and call it "Calibration Instructions." Done deal.

Electronic? Scan them in, name them, put them in a folder called: "Calibration Instructions." Because calibration instructions are equipment related, they are typically not subject to change. Keep it simple. Bottom line? Do what works best for you and your employees. You'll be OK.

Hope this helps.

Stijloor.
Thanks.
Now for my next question. As I write the manual, is it alright to say, as far as calibration procedures are concerned, something to the effect the manufacturer's procedures will be followed. If no procedures have been supplied by a supplier, and internal procedure will be created.
Thanks again
 

BradM

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Hello, Mo!

I guess I am still trying to figure out what you are doing, here. Are you actually calibrating instruments at your facility according to the mfg. procedures? Or, are you having instruments calibrated at the mfg. facility using their own procedure? Who is actually doing the calibration?

Stijloor offers one good viable option. If you are doing the calibration work and you have a high degree of confidence nothing will ever need to deviate from that procedure, then that method will work (and that may entirely be the case).

However, if (and this is all dependent on how you write your procedures) you list which standards to use, possible have a limited range outside the mfg. range, etc., then you may end of with a revised document. That case, you might want to approach it a little different. You could still do it in a manner similar to how Stijloor suggested.

Too, I've seen a lot of mfg. calibration procedures. Some of them were pretty good; some of them were quite odd. We would perform calibration in a manner more in-line with how we were using the piece of equipment.
 
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Kevin H

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Another option, depending on the equipment is to just reference a pertinent calibration standard, such as ASTM E18 for hardness testing, or E4 for force verification of testing machines.
 
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moiraknows

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Hello, Mo!

I guess I am still trying to figure out what you are doing, here. Are you actually calibrating instruments at your facility according to the mfg. procedures? Or, are you having instruments calibrated at the mfg. facility using their own procedure? Who is actually doing the calibration?

Stijloor offers one good viable option. If you are doing the calibration work and you have a high degree of confidence nothing will ever need to deviate from that procedure, then that method will work (and that may entirely be the case).

However, if (and this is all dependent on how you write your procedures) you list which standards to use, possible have a limited range outside the mfg. range, etc., then you may end of with a revised document. That case, you might want to approach it a little different. You could still do it in a manner similar to how Stijloor suggested.

Too, I've seen a lot of mfg. calibration procedures. Some of them were pretty good; some of them were quite odd. We would perform calibration in a manner more in-line with how we were using the piece of equipment.
At the moment we calibrate pressure equipment.
We are in the process of opening a cal lab for 17025 accred.
I have developed a QA system for neuclear industry but this is my first stab at ISO.
I thank you all for the great advise:thanx:
 
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Benjamin28

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Yes the statement is acceptable. The key here is not just to have a documented procedure for calibration, but to have THE procedure YOU utilize documented for every calibration type you are seeking accreditation for.

One thing to keep in mind though, manufacturer calibration procedures are prone to being quite specific to certain item models, design, etc. If you plan on having a long term accreditted laboratory it may be beneficial to have internal procedures which are more flexible to a family of instruments. In this way you maintain less cumbersome procedures while being accreditted to calibrate a wide range of instrument designs.
 

Hershal

Metrologist-Auditor
Staff member
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A couple of things to remember.....

For procedures of "external origin" (e.g., manufacturer's procedures), per ISO/IEC 17025 Clause 4.3.1, you must have a procedure to control them. That does not require a separate number unless you want to, but the control is what must be described.

For internall developed procedures, they must be validated, per Clauses 5.4.1 through 5.4.5.3 inclusive.

You selected accrediting body which I presume will be SCC/CLAS (given your location) can provide additional guidance in their CAN-P series documents.

Hope this helps.
 
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