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Control of Special Processes - Welding & Soldering - The Great Debate - 7.5.2

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noboost4you

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Re: 7.5.2 - Control of Special Processes - Welding/Soldering - The Great Debate

I believe the essence of this debate has been tossed around several times at The Cove. For example, we had a lengthy exchange in the Welding - Is welding always a special process per ISO9001:2000 Clause 7.5.2 thread.

To sum up: Not every welding/soldering process NEEDS validation. It pretty much depends on specifications, product application and the organization's ability to check the important characteristics of the hardware, post soldering/welding.
Oh, I read that entire thread a couple times before posting this thread. You and Andy were going back and forth and both had your own stance on the issue. Instead of using make-believe flower boxes or art sculptures, I thought I'd toss in our real-life examples and our processes for more precise feedback from different view points. So far this thread has accomplished gathering two soldering standards that we didn't have before, and the fact certain people are tired of this topic. :lmao:
 
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12stones

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Re: 7.5.2 - Control of Special Processes - Welding/Soldering - The Great Debate

To sum up: Not every welding/soldering process NEEDS validation. It pretty much depends on specifications, product application and the organization's ability to check the important characteristics of the hardware, post soldering/welding.
Oh, I read that entire thread a couple times before posting this thread. You and Andy were going back and forth and both had your own view on the issue. Instead of using make-believe flower boxes or art sculptures, I thought I'd toss in our real-life examples and our processes for more precise feedback from different view points.
Regardless of whether you're talking about flower boxes or the real-life examples, what Sidney said still applies. Not every soldering process NEEDS validation. It boils down to whether you can verify the results by test or inspection and back up your reasoning for leaving it at that. If you've never received a finding for what you're doing, then you seem to be doing the right thing. I'd just make sure that you have a reason for why you're not validating the process when/if an auditor ever asks.
 
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Re: 7.5.2 - Control of Special Processes - Welding/Soldering - The Great Debate

Regardless of whether you're talking about flower boxes or the real-life examples, what Sidney said still applies. Not every soldering process NEEDS validation. It boils down to whether you can verify the results by test or inspection and back up your reasoning for leaving it at that. If you've never received a finding for what you're doing, then you seem to be doing the right thing. I'd just make sure that you have a reason for why you're not validating the process when/if an auditor ever asks.
Just wanted to make sure we have all our bases covered! :tg:
 
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Re: 7.5.2 - Control of Special Processes - Welding/Soldering - The Great Debate

If you've never received a finding for what you're doing, then you seem to be doing the right thing. I'd just make sure that you have a reason for why you're not validating the process when/if an auditor ever asks.
With respect, this is not a good reason to decide on a course of action! It's akin to not making a dimension correctly on a component and then saying, "If you've never had inspection reject it, don't worry, just have a good reply if asked"....
 
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12stones

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Re: 7.5.2 - Control of Special Processes - Welding/Soldering - The Great Debate

With respect, this is not a good reason to decide on a course of action! It's akin to not making a dimension correctly on a component and then saying, "If you've never had inspection reject it, don't worry, just have a good reply if asked"....
The example you provided really doesn't fit in the same context as what I previously stated, but I get your meaning. So, I'll disagree with you in that if you have justification for why you're doing what you're doing, and it meets the intent of the requirement and can be explained as such, then you're fine, which was the basis of my statement.
 
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