Control Plan for non automotive customer

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fEArmE

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Hi there,

We are in the middle of preparing for TS16949 certification. I was wondering if control plan is needed for non-automotive customer parts. Please advice. Thank you.
 
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Jim Wynne

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Your TS16949 implementation applies only to parts and processes used for automotive customers. Non-automotive processes should not be considered by the third-party auditor(s). So no, you don't have to have control plans nor non-automotive products.
 
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fEArmE

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Your TS16949 implementation applies only to parts and processes used for automotive customers. Non-automotive processes should not be considered by the third-party auditor(s). So no, you don't have to have control plans nor non-automotive products.
Jim,

You have lightened up my day. Thanks.
 
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PVieira

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7.5.1.1 of the ISO9001:2000 (ISO/TS16949) standard specifically states "the organization shall develop control plans (see annex A) at the system, subsystem, component and/or material level for the product supplied, including those for processes producing bulk materials as well as parts"

But the easy way to address the non-automotive product is expressed in the Annex "A" which states "in many cases, family control plans may cover a number of similar parts produced using a common process. Control plans are an output of the quality plan." this makes adding control plans to non-automotive product easy if you have a pretty routine process flow in the products you produce.

I hope this helps.

PVieira
 
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fuzzy

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Jim,

You have lightened up my day. Thanks.
Totally agree with Jim:yes:: Not required by TS. But I can say that I have used the Control Plan format with some success (customer happiness:D) in two non-automotive applications. One involved a sub-component for a medical / pharma company, and the other involved a life-safety product. Can't say that the shop-floor implementation was as robust as in my QS / TS companies :notme:but it's as good a tool as you want to make it, without all the rules and all that hogwash (thanks Walt B.) when you're outside the auto world.
 
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fEArmE

#6
7.5.1.1 of the ISO9001:2000 (ISO/TS16949) standard specifically states "the organization shall develop control plans (see annex A) at the system, subsystem, component and/or material level for the product supplied, including those for processes producing bulk materials as well as parts"

But the easy way to address the non-automotive product is expressed in the Annex "A" which states "in many cases, family control plans may cover a number of similar parts produced using a common process. Control plans are an output of the quality plan." this makes adding control plans to non-automotive product easy if you have a pretty routine process flow in the products you produce.

I hope this helps.

PVieira
Well, actually the process I referred to is sort of like a secondary operation. We have a totally different process to make a similar part, and that's an automotive customer. Since the both processes are totally different, I cant use one control plan for them. This is actually a question from our internal auditing process. We (auditees) reiterated that it is a non automotive customer parts and does not need a CP. But the auditors refer to our APQP Procedure and pointed out that we need to have control plan for every parts. I think the point here is, the auditor needs to consider and make it clear that TS16949 is strictly for automotive. :tg:
 

howste

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It sounds like you need to clarify your procedure. If your procedure says every part, your internal auditor was right to ask for it.

But, as Jim said above, your 3rd party TS auditors shouldn't look for it.
 
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PVieira

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I believe howste is correct... It does sound like you need to clarify your procedure, if it says every part. your internal auditor would have every right to ask for it.

But, as Jim said above, your 3rd party TS auditors shouldn't look for it. since 7.5.1.1 applies only to the automotive product and processes.

However it is a good idea to incorporate control plans wherever possible. Even basic families if possible.

PVieira
 
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ralphsulser

#9
We use the APQP designated Control Plans for automotive parts, and for non-automotive off road vehicle parts we use a "PQCT" (Product Quality Control Table) as required for Honda.
It is basically the same as automotive but some difference. So it depends what your customer specifies and what you define in your procedures. I agree you should just clarify your APQP procedure to replace the "all" to as required or specified.
 
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fEArmE

#10
Thanks for all the replies. I'm beginning to fall for this forum. I'll modify the procedure to clarify better. Thank you!
 
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