Corrective Action: When to update the Process FMEA (PFMEA)

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haueyman

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In a FMEA, when do I take the Corrective action and update the FMEA with the new RPN.

Example; I have an issue with parts that have been miss-stamped and the corrective action was adding sensors to the station. RPN prior to CA was 168 but after the sensors it is 42. Example ONLY.

When do I move the new RPN of 42 to replace the 168? Is there a standard time frame of doing this?
 
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Re: Corrective Action: when to update the FMEA

haueyman said:
In a FMEA, when do I take the Corrective action and update the FMEA with the new RPN.

Example; I have an issue with parts that have been miss-stamped and the corrective action was adding sensors to the station. RPN prior to CA was 168 but after the sensors it is 42. Example ONLY.

When do I move the new RPN of 42 to replace the 168? Is there a standard time frame of doing this?
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You should update the PFMEA document as soon as reasonably possible, but there's nothing anywhere that says that it must be done within a specified time period. In your example, I would think that an RPN of 168 being reduced to 42 but only after something bad happens is evidence that your PFMEA process needs attention.
 
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haueyman

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Re: Corrective Action: when to update the FMEA

You are correct, that is the truth, my counter part and I have been seeing that recently so we have started conducting FMEA review meetings with the proper personnel to address these issues. So I could wait a month after the corrective actions have been completed and my results show me that they are working then I can go in and change those?

Thanks
 
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Re: Corrective Action: when to update the FMEA

haueyman said:
You are correct, that is the truth, my counter part and I have been seeing that recently so we have started conducting FMEA review meetings with the proper personnel to address these issues. So I could wait a month after the corrective actions have been completed and my results show me that they are working then I can go in and change those?

Thanks
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I assume that your CA process has a requirement for verification of effectiveness of the action(s) taken. I would think that you would want to wait until the verification is done before updating the PFMEA. You could, if you want, immediately enter the action (installation of the sensors) taken as a "recommended" action, and make the due date coincide with your CA review of effectiveness, and then recalculate the RPN.
 
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haueyman

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Re: Corrective Action: when to update the FMEA

Yes that is exactly what I was thinking but did not come out as clearly as how you put it. Thanks Jim.
 
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sushant_kulkarni

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Re: Corrective Action: when to update the FMEA

AT the point of any customer complaint, your first priority to review your FMEA. Atually no time frame for that but its useful to see whether you have addressed that failure or new for you also.
 
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Helmut Jilling

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sushant_kulkarni said:
AT the point of any customer complaint, your first priority to review your FMEA. Atually no time frame for that but its useful to see whether you have addressed that failure or new for you also.
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No, I don't think the customer would agree. Clearly, the first prioity is to solve the problem and settle things with the customer. But, part of the corrective action is to review the FMEA where appropriate. Please review Jim Wynne's answer #4. He did a good job of explaining it.
 
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jefnik3201028

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hello guys...when FMEA is updated it is considered as a revision, right? Can someone advise what is the best way to handle to document control ? In some cases, the FMEA is update too frequently due to frequent customer complaint (probably due to failure to identify and address failure root causes). Your suggestion will be highly appreciated. Right now all document changes go thru the document change approval system and we do not know if we should do the same with PFMEA.
 
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Re: Corrective Action: when to update the FMEA

jefnik3201028 said:
hello guys...when FMEA is updated it is considered as a revision, right? Can someone advise what is the best way to handle to document control ? In some cases, the FMEA is update too frequently due to frequent customer complaint (probably due to failure to identify and address failure root causes). Your suggestion will be highly appreciated. Right now all document changes go thru the document change approval system and we do not know if we should do the same with PFMEA.
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You can create separate controls for FMEA updates--they don't have to follow the same requirements as other documents.
 
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