Counterfeit Avoidance Program - AS6174

[WCHorn]

I have been asked to determine if our company can have a counterfeit avoidance program conforming to AS6174, Counterfeit Materiel; Assuring Acquisition of Authentic and Conforming Materiel.

Our company is a manufacturer that orders raw materials, completes formulations using those raw materials and converts the formulations into finished products. The raw materials and formulations are not specified by customers or standards. The formulation numbers are listed on Qualified Products Lists.

I'm having difficulty determining how AS6174 applies to manufacturers. It seems it should apply to distributors and users. Any Covers have experience with the programs and standards for Counterfeit Avoidance?

 

[AndyN]

Re: Counterfeit Avoidance Program

They seriously mean "materiel"? :mg:

 

[WCHorn]

Re: Counterfeit Avoidance Program

They seriously mean "materiel"? :mg:

Here's a link to the definitions. I think the word is used correctly in my post and the title of the standard comes directly from the SAE web site.

I don't get your concern, Andy. I'm a bit dense when it comes to subtle humor, though.

 

[AndyN]

I'm struggling to get the whole "materiel" fit for this. I'm familiar with the term from my time contracting with the US and UK military. I'm the one being dense, here!

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Carl, for a couple of years I was involved with the counterfeit certification program for DNV GL. At that time, we were focusing on two standards. AS5553
and AS6081, both aimed at the electronics hardware sector.

I am not involved with that anymore, but I am sure the counterfeit threat in the commercial and military and space supply chains is, still, front and center. There are a number of initiatives in this front, including from the IAQG. Check some of the guidance in the SCMH website.

As for your question, sometimes manufacturers also purchase (unknowingly) bogus materials, such as metal alloys and components.

Sorry, I can't be of further help on this one. Hopefully this standard will become one of the norms included in ANAB' program. http://www.anab.org/accreditation/counterfeits/

Good luck.

 

[Kronos147]

Carl, for a couple of years I was involved with the counterfeit certification program for DNV GL. At that time, we were focusing on two standards. AS5553
and AS6081, both aimed at the electronics hardware sector.

I am of the opinion that at some point, AS5553 will result in a class action lawsuit against SAE. I believe that it attempts to "force" AS5553 (and AS9100) onto the entire supply chain.

I have been called paranoid before. I would not be so if I didn't think everyone was out to get me.

Eric

 

[dsanabria]

I am of the opinion that at some point, AS5553 will result in a class action lawsuit against SAE. I believe that it attempts to "force" AS5553 (and AS9100) onto the entire supply chain.

I have been called paranoid before. I would not be so if I didn't think everyone was out to get me.

Eric

While I do somehow agree that an interpretation of you thoughts are interesting - I would like to see if they make sense once I could see a sample of your point of view.

Thanks!

 

[Kronos147]

While I do somehow agree that an interpretation of you thoughts are interesting - I would like to see if they make sense once I could see a sample of your point of view.

Thanks!

In my experience, some suppliers are not in 100% compliance with AS9100 when they review a purchase order. The process is not adhered to 100% of the time. So, the supplier accepts a PO without the 100% review ('oh, I know all of these T's & C's, I have seen them all before') that invokes AS5553. Now it begins.

AS5553 section 4.1.3 c) assure sources of suipply are maintaining effective processes for mitigating... counterfeit parts. SEE: Appendix B for guidance.

Maybe I read it wrong, but Appendix B is a maze of either the organization now contractually agreeing to AS5553 is responsible for being some sort of regulatory agency\registrar for their supplier base, including all the periodic lab testing verification of purchase product\services requirements of AS9100 Rev. B (removed in Rev C), or just force your supply chain to go AS5553.

 

[RCW]

I'm having difficulty determining how AS6174 applies to manufacturers. It seems it should apply to distributors and users. Any Covers have experience with the programs and standards for Counterfeit Avoidance?

My company has established a countfeit component detection / avoidance program based on AS5553. While helping to set this up, I saw a lot of variation out there, specifically no one designated standard to follow. I'm finding a lot of my suppliers SAY they are compliant to AS5553 or other similar specifications, but there isn't a regulatory body going in to certify this. I also saw an RFQ in here yesterday that specified the inspector had to be trained to the IDEA specification.

Don't get me wrong, I think having a counterfeit mitigation program is required now days but there really needs to be some specified standardization across the board.

I'm also expecting to get beat up by my customer's when they audit my system because they don't interpret the standards the same and there is no one standard way to do things.

 

[dsanabria]

My company has established a countfeit component detection / avoidance program based on AS5553. While helping to set this up, I saw a lot of variation out there, specifically no one designated standard to follow. I'm finding a lot of my suppliers SAY they are compliant to AS5553 or other similar specifications, but there isn't a regulatory body going in to certify this. I also saw an RFQ in here yesterday that specified the inspector had to be trained to the IDEA specification.

Don't get me wrong, I think having a counterfeit mitigation program is required now days but there really needs to be some specified standardization across the board.

I'm also expecting to get beat up by my customer's when they audit my system because they don't interpret the standards the same and there is no one standard way to do things.

Read: http://www.anab.org/media/46600/hu244.pdf


and give me your thoughts.