Creating an Audit Schedule & Revamping QMS

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John Martinez

#11
I don't want to sound stupid, since i'm new at this, but what does TS stand for? I work for an aerospace company, which needs to comply with ISO 9001:2008 & AS9100B. that's all i really know for sure. I know I need to try and slim our system down to a more process friendly system, but it's really hard with a q.m. who wants a quality procedure or work instruction for EVERYTHING. I'm so overwhelmed, since i have to do my first job along with this one, and I don't know how to fix the problem we are in now. ANY tips or advice would be helpful.
"TS" Stands for "Technical Standard". Not an ISO document at that point. Normally in context, it stands for ISO/TS 16949 the automotive quality standard.

When posting here, or answering questions, we should be clear.

I teach a lead auditor ISO 9001 course. At the beginning of the week, I state and put up that my answers to questions are specific to ISO 9001. That said, if I know I have people from automotive, aerospace, and the oil field, I restate every time, "my response is specific to ISO 9001:2008 as different industry specific standards my be interpreted differently".

And, AndyN has asked two great questions on the previous page. Answers to these questions would go a long way to assisting us in assisting you.
 
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Some of it. When I re-wrote the procedures and other items I wanted to keep, I had management approve it. If they questioned me about obsoleting the enormous amount of procedures and instructions, I told them what I said on this site. What's the point of a procedure and/or instruction if it will not be used. Another point I should make too is that some of the forms I created for record purposes also serve as an instruction in some cases. Example is our inspection forms for the operators. It lists on the inspection form what gage to use and how often to check the part. The operators already know how to use the gages or were trained so there would be no need for "Gage Instructions".
I don't know much about the size of organization or the management culture but I'm frankly a little concerned when people write about how they write procedures and create forms and remove documentation - with only 'approvals' from management! My experience has been that they'll approve anything you shove in front of them, lest they be turned into a sacrifice on the ISO god's altar. Sure, getting them to collaborate is difficult, but the down side of 'taking charge' and doing all this for them is no ownership of the system you've created on their behalf....this leads to all kinds of issues down the years...
 
#14
I have been doing this for awhile and have several 3rd party audits with -0- non-conformances.
Sadly, this may not be the resounding endorsement you would like it to be! The endorsement should come from your management. Without their being able to talk to the effectiveness, through use, of the documented quality system, all bets are off, IMHO!
 
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misty1628

#15
Not a stupid question.......
TS is for Technical Specification and applies mainly to the automotive side of registration of a quality management system. Companies that need or want to be TS certified must follow the ISO9001 requirements and also the TS 16949 requirements. In the TS 16949 requirement book, the "blocked" areas are specifically ISO9001 requirements. TS requirements is the whole book basically.

Hope that helps!
 
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misty1628

#16
Definitely get approvals from people who will be involved with the document getting approved! :)
 
C

Citizen Kane

#18
one suggestion is, for the future, to have installed an e-sign process installed for approval on your local intranet system - this will ease the work and access to all the involvbed people from the approving flow.
 

Joeem

Involved In Discussions
#19
Yes, which I'm trying to figure that out. I am using Tasks in Outlook at the moment, and when they hit complete that will be verification that they've reviewed the audit report. but now i have to work on what to do about the action item and follow up.
 
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