Critical Characteristics - Sheet metal stamping

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ArbenB

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Hi all,
Our company which is specialized in sheet metal stamping (automotive supplier) have got a request for quote for some products which has some CC demands! We are not used to manufacture products with such demands and I have strugeled to try to understand if our company need to take any special procautions in terms of insurance if we get nominatet for these parts!

Thanks in advance!
//AB
 
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Ron Rompen

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Is your company design responsible? Or are you only a manufacturing facility?
Are you currently registered to ISO 9001 or IATF 16949?
The IATF standard defines some of the requirements for Special Characteristics (CC/SC/etc) in 8.3.3.3 There will also (probably) be specific requirements from your customer in how they want you to deal with them.
 
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Hi Ron,

Thanks for your reply!
Our company is only a manufacturing facility and yes we are IATF 16949 certified as well. The CC requirements are mostly conected to ststic strenth of the parts and we have the abbility to check this requirements and apply error proofing Poka Yoke as well! BUT I was thinking what if anything goes wrong in the field , does the company need to procure any special insurance or how does this really work!
Thanks!
//AB
 
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Having 'special insurance' is going to be based on your assessment of risk. What is the probability that your product will fail, and what is the (potential) cost of that failure (including potential recalls, etc). Based on your assessment of risk, you may want to have either general insurance or specific insurance. Not really sure how to better advise you on this.
 
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Ron Rompen said:
Having 'special insurance' is going to be based on your assessment of risk. What is the probability that your product will fail, and what is the (potential) cost of that failure (including potential recalls, etc). Based on your assessment of risk, you may want to have either general insurance or specific insurance. Not really sure how to better advise you on this.
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I appreciate your advice and guidance!

Regards,
//AB
 
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We are a subcontract turned parts manufacturer and have this as an addition to our standard liability insurance.

As far as I understand it, it will only be a problem for you if the components that failed in the field were nonconforming, that could trigger you to claim on your insurance (we have never had to claim for this).

If the components meet all of the technical requirements then as a subcontract manufacturer, the fault and responsibility for the failure would lie with whomever is responsible for the design, which by the sound of it isn't you.
 
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Scanton said:
We are a subcontract turned parts manufacturer and have this as an addition to our standard liability insurance.

As far as I understand it, it will only be a problem for you if the components that failed in the field were nonconforming, that could trigger you to claim on your insurance (we have never had to claim for this).

If the components meet all of the technical requirements then as a subcontract manufacturer, the fault and responsibility for the failure would lie with whomever is responsible for the design, which by the sound of it isn't you.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience ! Appreciate this!

Regards,
//AB
 
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Just a comment on passing the responsibility back to the designer.

Quite a few years ago (almost 30) I was involved in a line stop and recall activity (related to seat belts, so taken very seriously). When we did the final review at the customer technical centre in Detroit (see, I didn't say WHO it was), we pointed the finger back to the Tier 1 supplier who had designed the part - all WE did was stamp it to their design.
The OEM agreed that the MAJORITY of the responsibility was on the designer, however they also assigned some responsibility to us, as we, being the 'experts in our field of manufacturing' should have noted the potential flaw in the design during our APQP process. We didn't get hit with any financial reprecussions, but it still wasn't a nice feeling to be standing there being told that.
 
Scanton

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Ron Rompen, it sound like it was squeaky bum time there for a little while :)

As we make turned components for so many different applications for so many different industries, we are lucky I suppose in being able to argue that we are experts in turned components only and not their application, but definitely worth being aware of if you are experts in manufacturing something for a specific application and/or industry.
 
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