Customer Drawing Approval - No approval signature on prints

[Colin]

Juliov

I was referring to the fact that many auditors seem to want to see a signature on documents to indicate they are controlled when it is often not necessary.

Take payment as an example. If you pay for something by cheque, you would expect it to be signed - however, you can pay for the same item with a plastic card over the telephone and no signature is required.

Modern systems can demonstrate authorisation by virtue of the fact that we can trace back to who released a document and provided they have the authority to do so, we can demonstrate control.

 

[jrubio]

Thanks Javier for the reply, the question I do have is that the customer print has a blank "Approved by" block with no signature, the question is how does this align with the requirements of controled documents in ISO

If the Drawing is a production one with revision level made by yourself you need am approval field (Name and date), not neccesary signature.
After that you create a PPAP drawing (Less developed reffering to Production one) and submit to your customer who is charge to approve it and send you a Customer image one as they like. After the PSW signed you have all documents approved by your customer
The Customer may detect that the charasterist marked (As circles with numbers) in the PPAP Drawing to control via Control charasterist are implemented in the production lines and follow the PPAP in your process.

 

[JaneB]

you mention that signatures are no longer required, not clear on this, how do docs then get approved or could be controlled.

Juliov, re. how to indicate approval without signatures, have you checked the list of related threads? Scroll down to the bottom of this one, & you'll see a list of related threads - you'll find some excellent ideas, such as in this one.

 

[jrubio]

Iso/iec 17799:2005

Only for your information, an interesting norm:

Title: Information technology - Security techniques - Code of practice for information security management
Abstract: ISO/IEC 17799:2005 establishes guidelines and general principles for initiating, implementing, maintaining, and improving information security management in an organization. The objectives outlined provide general guidance on the commonly accepted goals of information security management. ISO/IEC 17799:2005 contains best practices of control objectives and controls in the following areas of information security management:

security policy;
organization of information security;
asset management;
human resources security;
physical and environmental security;
communications and operations management;
access control;
information systems acquisition, development and maintenance;
information security incident management;
business continuity management;
compliance.
The control objectives and controls in ISO/IEC 17799:2005 are intended to be implemented to meet the requirements identified by a risk assessment. ISO/IEC 17799:2005 is intended as a common basis and practical guideline for developing organizational security standards and effective security management practices, and to help build confidence in inter-organizational activities.



http://webstore.ansi.org/ansidocsto...rd=iso 17799&gclid=CLCgsteF2YgCFSoMQgodbgLopA

 

[juliov]

Re: Iso/iec 17799:2005

Dear Javier,

Thank you for the info provided, we will be looking into these resources and purchase or download the abstract.

saludos,

 

[Coury Ferguson]

Dear Juliov.

The PPAP Drawing (Is the Drawing supplied to the Customer) is part of the documents supplied in the PPAP (Level 3 and more levels) and if you receive the sign in the PSW from your Customer (OK), all the documents within are approved by your Customer even the Drawing with the revision level.

So the PSW signed and Contract Reviews signed are the approval of your Customer for all Document concerning a part.

Therefore the latest PPAP with the Drawing revision lavel is the approved from your Customer, if you want other becouse your production Drawing has changed you have to tell your customer to raise a new PPAP Drawing with the significant change and raise a new PPAP with the new Drawing (You can submit them a Draft with the change in order they can issue the new release).

If the Drawing with the rev level is supplied by your Customer, is your Customer responsability to correctly define well the blanks to fullfill, (Not yours).

Therefore the PSW with the revision level is the approval of your Drawing with revision level. Here you have your Customer approval.

And I would not raise a NC, may be to your Customer, not you

Dear JaneB

In the PPAP and in the system implemented in the Pattern Controls of Parts fot the part given and Customer given.

Generaly production Drawing are not the same than PPAP drawing (Control ones)

But for sure the Production Drawing, must have minimum the charasterists cover in the PPAP drawing, whether not raise a NC and hold the PPAP and stop shipments and raise a desviation document.

PPAP/PSW is a customer specific requirement or driven by TS. This post is dealing with ISO9001:2000.

The requirements in ISO9001:2000, paragraph 4.2.3 requires a documented procedure to define and control documents. ... Drawings are one type of document, in my opinion.

If your procedure requires the "Signature Block" to be signed or initialed then that is what you need to follow. If your procedure requires signature/initial and it doesn't apply, then remove the requirement in the procedure, in my opinion.