Customer Waiver Form for Supplier QMS Exemptions - Seeking an Example

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michelle8075

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Kevin H said:
Actually, as I read ISO/TS 16949, and the FAQ for supplier development from IAOB, you can escape requiring your supplier to be ISO 9001:2000 registered if they do not do any manufacturing and just distribute the part/raw material/ etc. to you. If they are not a distributor, you need at the minimum to have a plan for all suppliers to achieve ISO 9001:2000 registration within the 3 year span of your TS certificate, or you need to get approval from the customer for an alternative approach. You cannot stake out exceptions for "Mom & Pop" shops.
Kevin, in regards to your comment above regarding the exceptions to "Mom & POP" shops. The thread that started this discussion stated that he was currently registered to QS-9000, working towards TS-16949.

Where I got my information: If you look in the IASG sanctioned interpretations for QS-9000, dated 7-1-02, page 3 it states "4. Many of my sub-contractors are small "Mom and Pop" shops who cannot afford to get registered. Must we stop using them? Answer: No. If you refer to QS-9000 3rd edition, appendix 1.4, page 112, also shown below, you will see that small, low impact subcontractos are addressed by permitting waiver by the supplier of certian specified QS-9000 sub elements, such as C9 (4.6.2.)

So this is why we could use the "Mom & Pop" shops as long as you audit them. (Quote from sactioned interepetations: The 2nd party must utilize a qualified Lead Auditor, or qualified Internal Auditor with evidence of their successful completion of training, such as AIAG.... or evidence of minimum of 5 internal audits for QS-9000 under the supervision of a lead auditor.)

I am not sure about TS16949, only because our company had to move to 9K2K because we are TE supplier and TS doesn't have any supplement for TE. I have a strong feeling though, that this same type of question will be asked again for TS, and that they would have the same type of answer, but until it is in writing, organziations registered to TS can't do what is stated above. :)
 
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Michelle, I was interpreting it as a request for a solution that would meet ISO/TS requirements as well QS-9000 requirements. (After all, why have to do the job twice - once for QS-9000 and then again at the end of 2006 for ISO/TS?) I agree that there are exceptions for QS-9000 that are more liberal than those available for ISO/TS. Current interpretations on supplier requirements have remained fairly rigid both on reading the IAOB website and per feedback from our registrar. We're a bulk material prodcuer of iron powder, and one of our main raw materials is scrap. Our scrap requirements are small compared to a typical steel mill using an electric arc furnace for solid product, so we don't have a lot of pull to get our scrap suppliers to register to ISO 9001. We're hoping for some relaxation of the requirement in the future for ISO 9001 registration of suppliers, but for now are addressing it through a plan to try to develop supplier's systems and claiming the "broker/distributor" exception when possible. (Much scrap is purchased through brokers who do not process it and add value.)
 
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michelle8075

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Kevin,

I see your point about doing something twice. I haven't that much involvement with TS (did not know that they changed it to just distributors as being the exception) but lots and lots of experience with QS.

I so feel the pain of trying to adhere with the subcontractor requirements. I am SO glad we have to go to 9K2k, because we finally get to define the controls we place on our suppliers. We are probably going to keep what we had for QS, but loosen them up a little bit. It was difficult for our organziation to always, always use ISO registered companies only, so many people in the organzation felt that is was not always the most "cost-effective" measure. It was a fight from start to finish. :)
 
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