Delivery before PPAP review and/or approval

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Falken

#1
Hi

I am in the process of sending out PPAP requests for suppliers of components to a new product. Unfortunately, the time schedule is very tight, and I will not be able to collect and review the PPAP’s before I need components.

I am planning to give a time limited interim OK to deliver components before the PPAP’s are given an OK. Is this an OK way to deal with it? Does anyone have any other suggestions how to handle it?

Best regards
Fredrik
 
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Pudge 72

#2
Re: Delivery before PPAP

You are basically doing an at risk acceptance of the parts before accepting the PPAP.
The only thing that I would keep in the back of your head is this - if I were one of your suppliers and you accepted my parts in for the purpose of advancement in your project - DO NOT issue me a Corrective Action or reject my PPAP after my parts have suited your purpose, you are going to have "work" with them on this one, or, lose credability in the future when you need another "favor".
If you want to use my parts without signing my PSW or approving my PPAP, you assume the responsibility & we can work together off the record, or, the next time we do it by the book regardless of what your schedule allows. Now, some may say that is a pretty harsh line to tow with a customer and what about potential business and the relationship and blah, blah, blah, but, I have found that if someone wants to stick me after having done them a favor (which they are doing whether you realize it or not) - the relationship is probably not going to be real beneficial anyway.
Just my take on the matter......
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#3
Hi

I am in the process of sending out PPAP requests for suppliers of components to a new product. Unfortunately, the time schedule is very tight, and I will not be able to collect and review the PPAP’s before I need components.

I am planning to give a time limited interim OK to deliver components before the PPAP’s are given an OK. Is this an OK way to deal with it? Does anyone have any other suggestions how to handle it?

Best regards
Fredrik
Yes, a limited interim approval is an appropriate approach to handle that.
 
M

martin elliott

#4
Hi

I am in the process of sending out PPAP requests for suppliers of components to a new product. Unfortunately, the time schedule is very tight, and I will not be able to collect and review the PPAP’s before I need components.

I am planning to give a time limited interim OK to deliver components before the PPAP’s are given an OK. Is this an OK way to deal with it? Does anyone have any other suggestions how to handle it?

Best regards
Fredrik
Assuming you are NOT in breach of your Customers Specified Requirements.

Would it not be possible to accept the parts as PROTOTYPES with limited documentation such as Design Record, Control Plan, Dimensional Results, Performance Test Results and a PSW Showing reason Other - Prototypes.

This would give some security without being a full blown PPAP which could follow on later.
 
F

Falken

#5
I think I will give the prototype suggestion some more thoughts. The parts in question is sand castled aluminum and the design is ours so I thing a material certification, measurement records, some x-rays and process flowchart and the FMEA so far will be god enough.

/Fredrik
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#6
Assuming you are NOT in breach of your Customers Specified Requirements.

Would it not be possible to accept the parts as PROTOTYPES with limited documentation such as Design Record, Control Plan, Dimensional Results, Performance Test Results and a PSW Showing reason Other - Prototypes.

This would give some security without being a full blown PPAP which could follow on later.
It wouldn't make sense to characterize salable parts as prototypes (at least not to me :D). "Prototype" is a different category for a reason, and when we start manipulating the categories to account for poor planning, bad things happen.

There's nothing wrong with interim approval. Go to any new-car showroom and you'll see cars with lots of components that still don't have full PPAP approval. Do what you need to do in order to move forward, document what you've done, and try to figure out why you needed to do it and keep from having to do it in the future.
 
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