Design Exclusion, but now we might have an outsourced Product Design

optomist1

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Good Day To All,

I do not have access to ISO or IATF 16949 standard/requirements, can anyone share some guidance re: via one of our suppliers my firm is considering providing "Design" services to one of our prospective customers, however, my firm's “Certificate of Registration” has a "Design" exclusion...does this preclude my firm from providing these design services to a customer?

Thanks Optomist1
 
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Jim Wynne

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Good Day To All,

I do not have access to ISO or IATF 16949 standard/requirements, can anyone share some guidance re: via one of our suppliers my firm is considering providing "Design" services to one of our prospective customers, however, my firm's “Certificate of Registration” has a "Design" exclusion...does this preclude my firm from providing these design services to a customer?

Thanks Optomist1
Not sure I understand the relationships here. Please explain what "...one of our suppliers my firm is considering providing "Design" services to one of our prospective customers..." means.
 

Sidney Vianna

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does this preclude my firm from providing these design services to a customer?
The certificate with the exclusion does not preclude anything, but if your CB auditor is competent and becomes aware that you are now offering "outsourced" design to a customer, s/he should trigger a revision to your certificate to remove the exclusion. Irrespective if the product design is performed by your supplier, your organization would still be responsible for the design process and the implications thereof.
 

optomist1

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thanks Sidney....stated another way, if the CB removes the design exclusion is there a flow down requirement, such that "any supplier" performing a "Design", function for my firm must have current ISO/IATF certificate as well?

thanks...optomist 1
 

Sidney Vianna

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The requirements for supplier development in the IATF 16949 have been discussed ad nauseum in that forum. It is totally independent of the organization's product design responsibility.
 
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