Do Internal Auditors need to be Trained?

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Meggsy

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Hi Guys;

Can you please advise if Internal Auditors need to be trained? We have a number of different sites that need to be audited, and not many people who are trained in auditing. I doubt we'd get company approval to train the number of people that I think would be required; or a travel allowance for the trained people to audit the remote sites.

:thanx:
 
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alex.Kennedy

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Hi
It rather depends on what industry you are in.
In the pharmaceutical and aeronautical industries, your completed audit becomes a quality related document which your regulators may want to review.
This is their method of verifying that your audit was properly targeted and sufficiently vigorous, at the same time they can and often do ask to review your auditors training records to ensure they have received training on how to audit.

Alex Kennedy
 

harry

Super Moderator
#4
Whether they are trained, coached or mentored, the bottom line is they must finally be 'competent' to carry out audit. Training is one easy and simple way to impart knowledge but competency is not guaranteed.
 
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alex.Kennedy

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I take your point. However in the regulated industries the regulators only go on what is in your training records, and they make a point of reviewing them. So the person may be very competent, but if his training records do not show he has received the appropriate training, your going to have a serious problem with your regulartor.

Alex Kennedy
 

harry

Super Moderator
#6
Sorry Alex, I wasn't disputing your post. I agree with your points on regulated industries. My answer was in response to the OP whom I knew (through previous posts) is in the process of implementing ISO 9001.
 
#7
Hi Guys;

Can you please advise if Internal Auditors need to be trained? We have a number of different sites that need to be audited, and not many people who are trained in auditing. I doubt we'd get company approval to train the number of people that I think would be required; or a travel allowance for the trained people to audit the remote sites.

:thanx:
If you create a set of competencies for the function of internal auditor and then evaluate your candidates, chances are, training in some fashion is going to be necessary....see this article I wrote.

With respect to your other post about checklists, the chances are they will not make any auditor do a good, effective job of auditing. It would be just like going to the store to shop with the same shopping list each time! What would you end up with?

No, an effective, well planned and efficient audit needs competent auditors who know how to prepare for their assignments. Your management need to understand that the cost benefits of properly conducted audits outweigh the concerns of simple travels costs.........otherwise it's a case of losing the battle for the sake of a nail......
 
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Meggsy

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Thanks, guys.

To be honest, I don't think our certification auditor requires us to have internal audit training - I did training at a previous job, and he has never asked me about it and I've been doing all the internal audits at my site for the last 2+ years.

I am happy to do some competency assessments with people myself, but just looking for some feedback from other people.

The bottom line is that I KNOW I'm not going to be able to influence top management to get funding on this, and wanted to know if we were likely to ever lose our accreditation over this.

Cheers.
 
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Meggsy

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If you create a set of competencies for the function of internal auditor and then evaluate your candidates, chances are, training in some fashion is going to be necessary....see this article I wrote.
Thanks Andy, that article/website is great. I'm going through all the others now to see if there's anything else there that's useful to me at the moment!
 
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