Do we have to create a new PPAP to our customer if our Sub Contractor had to change?

[Spentzosk]

I want to know will we have to inform our customer & create a New Level 3 PPAP because our plating supplier had to change due to them not plating anymore? We are going to be plating to the same spec just with a different company.

 

[Miner]

Are you an automotive supplier and does your customer expect you to comply with the AIAG PPAP manual? If so, the following applies. If not, it will depend on your customer.

The AIAG PPAP manual states in section 3.1 Customer Notification:

 

[Enghabashy]

-I see also:

2nd party supplier audit should be done by your organization before processing new supplier approval ; it’s a Requirement of IATF 16949 for accepting new supplier

 

[Enghabashy]

- You should refer also for any CSR of your automotive customer , maybe there's additional requirement relating to plating or new suppliers

 

[Matt's Quality Handle]

Are you an automotive supplier and does your customer expect you to comply with the AIAG PPAP manual? If so, the following applies. If not, it will depend on your customer.

The AIAG PPAP manual states in section 3.1 Customer Notification:
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Above all, work with your customer. If you have an SQE with some sense, you'll only have to provide data regarding the change.

 

[Ron Rompen]

Just to expand on Enghabashy's statement; the 2nd party audit does NOT need to be performed by you, depending on how you have written your supplier development/management process. For example, if the supplier is registered/certified to IATF 16949, then that would (in general) suffice, AS LONG AS you state that in your process.

 

[Spentzosk]

Just to expand on Enghabashy's statement; the 2nd party audit does NOT need to be performed by you, depending on how you have written your supplier development/management process. For example, if the supplier is registered/certified to IATF 16949, then that would (in general) suffice, AS LONG AS you state that in your process.

Ron, we are certified to ISO. Would that work for ISO as well? in our process we state that our suppliers are ISO certified.

 

[Ron Rompen]

Spentzosk: Yes, in my opinion this would comply with ISO 9001 requirements. However, simply stating that your suppliers are ISO certified does not end your responsibilities. You need to monitor your suppliers, to ensure that they maintain their registration/certification. You also need to work WITH your suppliers to assist them in improving their services to you. There may also be Customer Specific Requirements which you need to adhere to as well.

 

[Spentzosk]

Spentzosk: Yes, in my opinion this would comply with ISO 9001 requirements. However, simply stating that your suppliers are ISO certified does not end your responsibilities. You need to monitor your suppliers, to ensure that they maintain their registration/certification. You also need to work WITH your suppliers to assist them in improving their services to you. There may also be Customer Specific Requirements which you need to adhere to as well.

We do monitor and make sure that our suppliers stay up to date with there ISO Certification. My next question for you is where does it state that in the ISO Requirements that we can do that for PPAP's? I just want to make sure to cover my self with proof.

 

[Ron Rompen]

ISO 9001 doesn't mention anything about PPAP submissions - that is a requirement in IATF 16949. For ISO requirements, I would be guided by all the information in Section 8, particularly with 8.2.1 and 8.2.2