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Do we need to maintain Records of Internal Supplier Evaluation per 7.4.1?

Chennaiite

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samsung said:
Still I can't conclude if any of the two or both the organizations need to maintain records of supplier evaluation?
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I dont know if I miss something, as far as the intent of this question goes.

Records of the results shall be maintained by the Organization. In this case, 'B' evaluates and maintains the result. It may or may not be shared with the Supplier.
 
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SteelMaiden

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Company A uses product from Company B. It matters not if they are both divisions of the same organization, or if Company B is wholly owned by Company A. If Company B is not included in the scope of Company A's QMS, it is a supplier to Company A and needs to be evaluated and controlled just like any other supplier.

Company A must approve and monitor (records must be kept) Company B and its performance. (as long as the product purchased from company b can affect the QMS of company a) Ownership of the companies is secondary to the fact that both companies are autonomous in their QMS.
 
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SteelMaiden said:
Company A uses product from Company B. It matters not if they are both divisions of the same organization, or if Company B is wholly owned by Company A. If Company B is not included in the scope of Company A's QMS, it is a supplier to Company A and needs to be evaluated and controlled just like any other supplier.

Company A must approve and monitor (records must be kept) Company B and its performance. (as long as the product purchased from company b can affect the QMS of company a) Ownership of the companies is secondary to the fact that both companies are autonomous in their QMS.
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Infact the situation is just other way around but the logic seems correct in terms of the stated requirements. Company 'A' is the parent company whereas 'B' is the division of 'A'.

From what you have given, I understand that company 'B' must consider 'A' as it's supplier and accordingly it should monitor and evaluate 'A' in the same way it does with other suppliers. On the other hand company 'A' should also treat 'B' as one of its customers and therefore should comply with all the relevant requirements of 9001. Correct?
 
SteelMaiden

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yes, sorry about turning a and b around, these A, B, and party of the third part, always get me confused! Just stop thinking about one of them owning the other. One is a consumer of the product of the other, and since both of them hold their ISO certifications separately you can think in terms of independent companies. Of course, in your assessment and approval of suppliers, you might have some special requirements. In my company, it was "buy everything you can from our sister division, but if they cannot get it to you, you can buy from someone else". Some of it was product not produced by sister division, sometimes it was delivery requirements, and sometimes if the quality dropped we'd buy from their competitor to help force the issue that we meant business and would not accept substandard product.
 
ScottK

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Actually I'm in that situation.
Parent Company is not ISO9001 registered.
Our division is.
So we have to include the facilities of our parent company that we subcontract to or purchase parts from in our supplier approval process as they are not within the scope of our QMS.

In fact I have to schedule an audit of one of them out in Wisconsin before winter hits...
 
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