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Do you have to perform an full internal prior to IATF 16949 audit?

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hngrad1977 said:
I follow the IATF 16949 standard, APQP, FMEA and all of the other blue books, but have never been told I had to go to the IATF Global Oversight.org and look for that information. If that is the case I find it hard to believe hardly anyone would know this. It may make good business sense to do it but in reality why a major?
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IATF site is the site to look for all relevant information.

In my IATF 16949:2016 transition courses, I point this out to my Clients in case they don't know. Your Registrar could have pointed this out to you too when you signed the contract.
 
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During their internal audit, they had to ensure that they fulfilled all the requirements of the IATF before seeking certification.

But this is reviewed by the CB since the documentary review, it is difficult to understand how the CB did not see it at that point:confused:
 
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Another important point, in the IATF site are found the sanctioned interpretations, which are effective since October 2017, should implement these changes, otherwise they would also be NC
 

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It's in the rules that you have to have a "complete" audit. But what does that mean. As Andy has said, more likely than not you have a complete internal audit from the last time you did them. What you probably are missing is an audit after changes have been made to upgrade to the new requirements? If you have those audits, then you'll need to put 2 and 2 together so your auditor can see the light. Good luck.
 
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hngrad1977 said:
I follow the IATF 16949 standard, APQP, FMEA and all of the other blue books, but have never been told I had to go to the IATF Global Oversight.org and look for that information. If that is the case I find it hard to believe hardly anyone would know this. It may make good business sense to do it but in reality why a major?
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It's actually well known and should have been highlighted in our CBs pre-planning information.
 
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To the revision of the standard ...
Due to the comment of hngrand 1977 (but have never been told I had to go to the IATF Global Oversight.org and look for that information.), maybe he could ignore the SI,
 
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All,
I have been discussing with the auditor the fact that the audit planning form they sent my company to show evidence of compliance to the standard does not call for internal audit to the new standard. Am told regardless I should have known and purchased the material. I have tried to compromise in the fact that since the planning form did not require it if the auditor could write a minor. No luck, a major finding it is. I am not going to argue the finding to the point where the audit goes down hill from here and many findings occur but plan on appealing to make it a minor. Maybe yes, maybe no, but thank you everyone for your help.
 
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