Do you think I?m capable of performing a ISO/TS 16949:2002 audit

Antonio Vieira

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Do you think I’m capable of performing a ISO/TS 16949:2002 audit

Hi all!

I’m an auditor for a large registrar organization.
I’ve made lots of audits.
However for my registrar I only have made audits to ISO 9001:2000.
As a trainer I’ve made several training actions about ISO/TS 16949:2002, including internal auditors for this TS.
I have made internal audits based in these training actions in the organizations I made the training.
As a trainer made lots of training actions about some QS-9000 manual such as MSA, FMEA and SPC, and of course about QMS requirements.
Do you think I’m capable of performing a ISO/TS 16949:2002 audit to any organization as a lead auditor?:(
 
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Antonio,
Whether we think you can or not is irrelevant.
The IATF rules only allow someone who has passed their qualification route to 3rd part audit.
I sympathise with you but thats the rules
 

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Howard's right. This includes 6 of the last 10 years experience in an automotive organization. The requirements are spelled out in the "Rules for achieving IATF recognition - 2nd edition."
 

Antonio Vieira

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Thanks Howard!
Thanks Howste!

The question was not very well stated by me.
The kind of audit I need to do is not a 3rd party audit.
It will be an internal audit. The only difference is that the audit is made by me, and I don’t belong to the auditee organization, but anyway it’s an internal audit. Even considering that the audit is going to be promoted by a third organization.
It’s more or less like this:
An organization needs an internal audit and asks a consultant if he knows someone to perform it. That consultant pointed my name.
I think this kind of audits AITF has nothing to be against a guy like me doing it...
In fact I worked, as a Quality Manager for more than 8 years in a large plant in the automotive industry...:D

Thanks
 

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António Vieira said:
It will be an internal audit. The only difference is that the audit is made by me, and I don’t belong to the auditee organization, but anyway it’s an internal audit.
It depends. If the organization you would be performing internal audits for has Ford as a customer, you might not qualify, because Ford has specific requirements about the qualifications of internal auditors. See http://www.iaob.org/forms/FordspecTS2nd.pdf

4.39 [FONT=Arial,Arial]Internal Quality Audits [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial](ISO/TS 16949:2002 cl. 8.2.2) [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial]The internal audits shall review all the organization's identified process (per 4.1a of ISO/TS 16949:2002). This review shall be conducted at least annually. [/FONT]​

Internal Auditor Qualifications [FONT=Arial,Arial]Internal quality management system auditors shall be qualified per 4.39.1 or 4.39.2 below. [/FONT]
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4.39.1 [FONT=Arial,Arial]Be trained and evaluated in the following areas:
• The Technical Specification ISO/TS 16949:2002
• Related core tools (e.g. APQP, SPC, MSA, FMEA, PPAP)
• Applicable customer-specific requirements, and

• The automotive process approach to auditing. And, as part of the training, participates in practice sessions equivalent to one audit day in:

• Case study audits, and/or

• Auditing role plays/simulations, and/or


On-site audits. Core tools and customer specifics can be taught by company or industry recognized experts/specialists.
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4.39.2
[FONT=Arial,Arial]Or, have conducted at least 5 internal ISO/TS 16949:2002 internal audits during the prior 24 months under the supervision of an auditor trained as specified in 4.39.1 . The audits will need to have covered all requirements of the technical specification and all processes directly [/FONT]
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Visteon requires one person to have completed an Accredited ISO/TS16949:2002 course. When I took the course in Nov. 2004 it was RAB Accredited and you had to pass a final exam.

You may qualify as an internal lead auditor if there are no customer specific requirements which specify criteria. I think you have the knowledge and experience.
 

Antonio Vieira

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That’s funny, some years ago I taught at Visteon here some training actions about ISO 9001 auditing.
After that I did the same for QS-9000 at the same factory. In this case in fact it was only lessons about the standard and QSA.
 
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