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Does a QMS defined by the element-by-element approach meet the intent of 4.1a?

Does a QMS defined by the element-by-element approach meet the intent of 4.1a?

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Jim Wynne

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Re: A question about ISO 9001:2008, 4.1a

Randy said:
Each seperate clause meets the definition of "process". Each has specific inputs, desired or required outputs and something has to be done in the middle to make it happen...They each can be either monitored or measured for effectiveness.

Of course one has to be able to have both an objective point of view about the subject and not be tunoptic to see this.

The current narrow way of thinking many have in this field is such that their views could fit through the eye of a very small needle.:lol:
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I'm pretty sure I agree with you, but I don't know what "tunoptic" means.
 
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Jim Wynne

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Re: A question about ISO 9001:2008, 4.1a

jkuil said:
The process approach required by ISO 9001:2008 requires the management and control of the interactions between processes, process elements and activities and the interfaces between the functional hierarchies of the organization. So it is inadequate to just define each element, but also define the interactions and the assignment responsibilities to them.
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If you could show me where ISO 9001:2008 requires use of the process approach I would appreciate it.
 
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Re: A question about ISO 9001:2008, 4.1a

I did a Google search as well but it didn't turn up with any references other than this thread.
 
Jen Kirley

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Re: A question about ISO 9001:2008, 4.1a

samsung said:
I did a Google search as well but it didn't turn up with any references other than this thread.
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It is referenced in the introduction only. It is not enforceable, both by its position in the introduction and by its wording.
 
Stijloor

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Re: A question about ISO 9001:2008, 4.1a

Randy said:
Combination of Tunnel Vision and Myopia. I've been using the term for years and it's just another way of saying boxed-in...Feel free to use it:lol:
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Now I know!! I thought it was an Arkansas word...:bonk:

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