Does a Quality Manual need to be issued a Control Number

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QualityDeb

#11
Re: Quality Manual and a question

Try not to "over interpret" and "read in" requirements that aren't there.

Very easy to say, but often very difficult to do. I can't tell you how many times I have added what I "thought was meant" into a requirement only to realize much later (sometimes after turning the organization upside down) that my "thought" was completely misplaced and not actually a requirement at all.

Good luck
I can understand that. This company is wanting me to take over the whole program and my predicessor's only goal was to get by with as little as possible. Now the boss wants it all to be meaningful to the company, which it should be. You should want it to work for you not just to be paper with words that does not really define anything. I have my work cut out for me but don't want to overwelm anyone here with want I think is needed. Thanks GOD for this forum!!! Or at least it's founder :)
 
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somashekar

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#12
Re: Quality Manual and a question

OK... that makes sense... I'm finding that the ISO Standards are much like the bible... up to interpretation depending on who is reading them.
In the Introduction., 0.1 General and 0.2 Process approach, you will see the essence of the standard ISO 9001:2008.
Just do not make wrong interpretation. The standard says in a very simple way, what the requirements are. You need to map your methods to the requirements.
 
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XIO549

#13
Re: Quality Manual and a question

True Randy.

So that said, the Quality Manual must be just named and not numbered. ie: Identifiable (only at a minimum).

Recommendations to have it numbered/referenced may have to do with the fact that all documents can be easily identifiable or by a number/tag and its just another tag on a schedule of 'QC documents'.

Point taken though, I agree with you Randy,. :agree1:

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Wes Bucey

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#14
Re: Quality Manual and a question

Try not to "over interpret" and "read in" requirements that aren't there.

Very easy to say, but often very difficult to do. I can't tell you how many times I have added what I "thought was meant" into a requirement only to realize much later (sometimes after turning the organization upside down) that my "thought" was completely misplaced and not actually a requirement at all.

Good luck
Yes. this is a variation of "mission creep" - folks add restrictions and requirements to cover their butts - not necessary here. Occam's Razor prevails - follow Randy's advice - look at the official definition and you'll find the simplest interpretation is usually correct.
 
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samsung

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Re: Quality Manual and a question

The standard says in a very simple way, what the requirements are.
Hi Somashekar,

Standards' 'simplicity' is still debatable. Had they been that simple, they wouldn't be discussed here every so often.
 

Golfman25

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Re: Quality Manual and a question

Try not to "over interpret" and "read in" requirements that aren't there.

Very easy to say, but often very difficult to do. I can't tell you how many times I have added what I "thought was meant" into a requirement only to realize much later (sometimes after turning the organization upside down) that my "thought" was completely misplaced and not actually a requirement at all.

Good luck
Absolutetly -- don't add to it. What I see way too much is someone's "solutions" being put in place of the standard. So someone says "docs should be number" and bingo that becomes the requirement. Keep it simple. Keep it workable for your company. When in doubt, leave it out (if not needed for your company). Don't worry so much about the auditors. Good luck.
 
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JaneB

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Re: Quality Manual and a question

my predicessor's only goal was to get by with as little as possible. Now the boss wants it all to be meaningful to the company, which it should be. You should want it to work for you not just to be paper with words that does not really define anything.
That's wonderful. A great opportunity to make the system into something that really supports the company, not complicates things or gets in the way. Hallelujah for such enlightened and intelligent bosses! I'd be offering up thanks for this.
 

somashekar

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#20
Re: Quality Manual and a question

Hi Somashekar,

Standards' 'simplicity' is still debatable. Had they been that simple, they wouldn't be discussed here every so often.
Yes it is. For we complicate it, understand it the way we sometime think is the correct way, are guided into some understanding by consultants who push format based QMS for quick money, we sometimes see other's do it in a way and believe that is the way.
It is not the fault of the standard that it is debated. Off course based on industry feedback standard gets revised. It does not in any way imply the earlier version of the standard was complex and hard to understand.
 
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