Does Anyone Know if Ford Has a Requirement for Laboratory Evaluation?

Izoyd

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Hi All,

I have a question regarding whether or not Ford has a requirement for laboratory evaluations.

Such as (I think GM has this rule in one of their GP's), if a supplier evaluates a certain type of product, this evaluation is then in turn evaluated by a specified lab...

Specifically, I was asked to find out if Ford has a requirement for having a Ford specified lab evaluate the painting of a molded part in the product development stage.

If Ford does have a requirement, could you also please let me know where I can find it?

I'm not familiar with what I am asking about, so please forgive me if I'm not making sense; I would like to learn what I don't know.

I'm hoping that someone here can help me.

Thank you!
 
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Stijloor

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#2
Hi All,

I have a question regarding whether or not Ford has a requirement for laboratory evaluations.

Such as (I think GM has this rule in one of their GP's), if a supplier evaluates a certain type of product, this evaluation is then in turn evaluated by a specified lab...

Specifically, I was asked to find out if Ford has a requirement for having a Ford specified lab evaluate the painting of a molded part in the product development stage.

If Ford does have a requirement, could you also please let me know where I can find it?

I'm not familiar with what I am asking about, so please forgive me if I'm not making sense; I would like to learn what I don't know.

I'm hoping that someone here can help me.

Thank you!
Look at 4.36 in this document.

And 13 in this document.

Stijloor.
 

Izoyd

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#3
Thank you for the reply Stijloor, I appreciate the help.

However, perhaps I haven't been clear on what I've been asking...

As far as I can tell for 4.36 in Ford TS CSR and 13 in Ford PPAP CSR, these are specific to the supplier needing to use a lab that must be appropriately accredited in cases where they use the lab.

However, what I am asking is not if the supplier needs to use an accredited lab, but must a supplier have a lab verify it's evaluation.

In other words, does the supplier need to have an outside lab verify the evaluation of the product (painting of a molded part) that the supplier performed?

I hope this better explains my question...
 

Stijloor

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#4
Thank you for the reply Stijloor, I appreciate the help.

However, perhaps I haven't been clear on what I've been asking...

As far as I can tell for 4.36 in Ford TS CSR and 13 in Ford PPAP CSR, these are specific to the supplier needing to use a lab that must be appropriately accredited in cases where they use the lab.

However, what I am asking is not if the supplier needs to use an accredited lab, but must a supplier have a lab verify its evaluation.

In other words, does the supplier need to have an outside lab verify the evaluation of the product (painting of a molded part) that the supplier performed?

I hope this better explains my question...
Thank you. I understand (I hope) :)

If you have an internal lab, that is capable of performing the customer required inspections/tests, that will be acceptable. However, to make sure, you may want to ask the customer because there may be unique testing/verification requirements. Actually, this issue should have been clarified during the contract review and feasibility stage. Never hurts to ask the customer. ;)

Stijloor.
 
J

JQuality

#5
I know of no specific requirement of that type for Ford.(Have been a Ford supplier for 20 years) If there was a specific requirement for the validation of your internal lab results it should have been requested specifically by Ford and placed into the Control Plan. Or, it should have been specifically identified/requested during the APQP process if it was to be a single event rather than an ongoing validation of process output.
 

Izoyd

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#7
Thank you everyone for your help.

JQUality (or anyone else that can also help):

I think my original question is starting to fall more under Appearance Approval Report requirements. The person (Manager) who asked me to find out the answer clarified the question by indicating that the question was related to the strength and appearance of the paint that would have been sprayed on the plastic molded part...

I've been looking over the Ford Requirement documents again, and in the Ford PPAP CSR (#14) it references "the North American Decorative Component Approval Process (DCAP) manual for detailed instructions..."

Does this document still exist, or has another system/document replaced this and Ford has just not updated the PPAP document to indicate so? I can't seem to find it anywhere...

If you could also share experiences with AAR's I would appreciate this greatly.....:thanks:
 
J

JQuality

#8
I searched the Ford website and could not find the document you were looking for either. That does not mean that it doesnt exist however. I have found all of the OEM websites notoriously unhelpful when it comes to finding anything specific. I would recommend contacting your STA directly, or using this contact information included below for additional information:

Contact: North American Corporate Design - Design Quality, Ford Motor Company, Product Development​
Center, Mail Drop 533, PO Box 2110, Dearborn, MI, 48123; fax: 313-594-7705
 

Izoyd

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#9
I'm glad I'm not the only one; I also have never found the Ford or the other OEM's websites useful when I've been looking for something specific. I usually find extremely useful/informative documents by accident...Anyone from Ford listening (hint, hint)? ;)

Thanks for the help.
 
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