Does ISO 9001 require Supplier Pre-Qualification?

Marcelo

Inactive Registered Visitor
#11
Rightoh, no problem; I agree that we need to evaluate the suppliers capacity to deliver what we require from them and now I ahve some good reasons why.

As a reuslt of the points respondents have made, I certain that the pre-qualification of suppliers as intrepreted and applied by and for the big clients in the resource industry in this part of the world is definately not required by the standard but I suppose this is irrelevent.

thanks to all for your help - k
Just an addendum - please note that "generic" questionaires for suppliers might fit example purposes - for example, fiscal or financial purposes and the like.
 
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harry

Super Moderator
#12
In the projects environment where getting a wrong contractor or service provider can mean painful delays and hassles, pre-qualification is a method used for preliminary selection to filter away those that do not meet requirements. Pre-qualification is usually carried out with the help of the technical consulting team with the aim of establishing the potential candidates capability and capacity.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#13


yes and I reckon the registration process is the prequalification.



I'm fighting this battle with some powers that be Randy because if I lose I'll end up doing something simply because 'that’s what everyone else does' and I want something closer to best practice here not something closer to a 'me too' company that makes us indistinguishable from any other company.
Hey whatever, but you asked if 9001 requires "prequalification of suppliers" and the simple answer is NO!!!! The problem is, there are too many experts that do not understand simple.

...and everyone else is not doing it.

I audited a 9001 based QMS today, I'm auditing another one tomorrow and I will do 20 or more by the end of the year minimum, and you wanna know what, unless there is some absolute, concrete, no if's-and's- or but's reason to, I'm not going to ask, "How do you prequalify your suppliers?" when I get to 7.4. IT AIN"T REQUIRED BY 9001!

Tell whoever to quit paying attention to everyone else and just look at the words in 9001 for what they are....and they ain't mystical.
 
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amit_rd

#14
In my opinion, any organization today is as good as the weakest member of the supply chain! The question of Pre - Qualification/ Pre - evaluation or evaluation of Suppliers is completely dependent on the organization decision and should not be done just to satisfy a standard requirement........

Moreover evaluation is required not only to evaluate the selected supplier but also to compare the potential suppliers in terms of long term sustainability (again a metter of organization's decision) hence in my opinion one must have a defined criteria for suppliers selections and adherence to the same should also be demonstrated for organizational benefits.
 

somashekar

Staff member
Super Moderator
#15
Call it by any name .... but it still is selection, evaluation and re-evaluation of suppliers to meet organization's requirements.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#16
Whoaaaaaa!!!

Are you asking about basic selection of suppliers and using the phrase "pre-qualify" or are you talking about some kind of multi-step process to weed out potential suppliers?
 

somashekar

Staff member
Super Moderator
#17
Some of the other words for Pre-Qualification in parts supply chain are :
1. Pilot lot qualification
2. First bulk supply qualification
3. Trial supply qualification
all finally for the selection and evaluation.
 

Big Jim

Super Moderator
#18
Lets look at exactly what the standard says on the topic.

"The organization shall evaluate and select suppliers based on their ability to supply product in accordance with the organization's requirements."

As to if this includes "pre-qualification" really comes down to definition. Does "evaluate and select" mean pre-qualification?

The next sentence provides either a little help or more confusion, depending on how you look at it.

"Criteria for selection, evaluation, and re-evaluation shall be established."

This becomes basically a chicken or the egg question, which comes first, selection or evaluation?

Argue on. This has become very entertaining.
 

Marcelo

Inactive Registered Visitor
#19
Another way to question is: can an organization buy from a supplier, when he does not know if the the supplier can supply product in accordance with the organization's requirements?
 
K

kgott

#20
Sometimes; yes. I've seen this done where there is only one supplier in town or in the state. There is a certain very large mining company in my state who insists that motor vehicles used on their site are equipped with rollover protection of a certain design and criteria and which must be purchased from the stated supplier, At the time I made these enquires, a 3-4 years ago, it is not permitted to be purchased from anyone else.

When I researched the company concerned the engineer who wrote the spec was not a qualified mechanical or structural engineer and there were no national or international standards which applied to the product.

This may not be the case today but it was then.
 
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