Effective & Efficient - Why both terms "effective" and "efficient" used together?

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Why both terms "effective" and "efficient" are most of the time jointly used? Can't we have one word which can replace both?:tg:
 
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Ajit Basrur

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Re: Effective & Efficient

Why both terms "effective" and "efficient" are most of the time jointly used? Can't we have one word which can replace both?:tg:
Good question :agree1:

Both terms are related to each other -

Efficiency will refer to output versus input; higher ratio contributes to higher efficiency while lower ratio refers to lower efficiency. Thus the higher ratio process will be called "efficient"

Effectiveness is more towards meeting the goals.

Therefore, in a working environment, the manager should be efficient and effective. I come from ESL (English as Second Language) thus shall wait for covers whose English is more better than mine :)
 

Kevin Mader

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Ajit's english is fine. Doing a browse here using the search tool will likely land you dozens of hits. Give it a try.

Your question is quite common and the one word term I've often seen used is - performance. As Ajit points out, efficiency is a ratiometric measure in where you are trying to optimize resources for a gain. What's not clear is what gain is being obtained. For instance, you could be very efficient at making scrap. Obviously scrap is not the goal, so it could be said that you are being very efficient at being ineffective. You have to make adjustments, sometimes at the expense of some of your efficiency to meet the target (become effective). Overall, doing the most with the least amount of resources while achieving your goal amounts to good performance. Just ask your boss!!:lol:

I'm sure others have words they prefer - perhaps they'll share here.

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Kevin
 

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Just replying really to support what has already been said. They are certainly not mutually exclusive hence why they are used in conjunction with one another.

Perhaps you should think in terms of being "efficiently effective"!!! :notme:
 

Jen Kirley

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Nice to see you again Kevin - my recruiter. :bigwave:

I think the term effective is about as loosely applied and interpreted as the term Quality. And it's fair to point out that effective is one of the synonyms listed for efficient in my Webster's Thesaurus, and vice versa. After all, they both describe outcomes compared against expectations.

And so it seems fair to ask the organization to understand the conceptual difference between the two terms if it cares to, to define substitutions if a distinction is desired, and at the very least demonstrate they pursue their goals without compromising other goals.

In other words, if time to complete an audit is a key metric of efficiency, I can do my job more efficiently by cutting out some of the tasks, but the end result may not be effective if it impacted my overall results unexpectedly, or an internal customer's results, or an external customer's product or service. It is important for an organization to grasp this concept if it wants to avoid errors or other undesired consequences.
:2cents:
 

SteelMaiden

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My son cleans the kitchen on Saturday. His work method is effective. It takes him 5 hours to get done. His work is not effecient.

I clean the kitchen on Friday. My work method is effective. It takes me 20 minutes. My work is effecient.

There is a difference, sometimes it is a subtle difference, but you can be effective without being effecient.
 

Ajit Basrur

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My son cleans the kitchen on Saturday. His work method is effective. It takes him 5 hours to get done. His work is not effecient.

I clean the kitchen on Friday. My work method is effective. It takes me 20 minutes. My work is effecient.

There is a difference, sometimes it is a subtle difference, but you can be effective without being effecient.
In Pharmaceuticals, we have different levels of cleaning viz. between different batches of the same product and between different products. Definitely the earlier is much quicker while the latter is a detailed cleaning requiring clenaing of equipment, wall surfaces, floor etc.

Probably, yours is that quicker one while your son does a thorough cleaning ;)
 

SteelMaiden

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In Pharmaceuticals, we have different levels of cleaning viz. between different batches of the same product and between different products. Definitely the earlier is much quicker while the latter is a detailed cleaning requiring clenaing of equipment, wall surfaces, floor etc.

Probably, yours is that quicker one while your son does a thorough cleaning ;)
Yeah, that must be it!:lmao::lmao:
 

Jim Wynne

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Why both terms "effective" and "efficient" are most of the time jointly used? Can't we have one word which can replace both?:tg:
A word used in pharmaceuticals captures both concepts nicely: efficacy. Something that's efficacious performs as intended, which should mean that it's both effective and efficient.
 
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