i confess as a consultant i have ocassionally used low hanging fruit......sometimes its not worth the effort to fight the system, and if you know thats the type of auditor you will be getting....then, hell you would be crazy not to play the game.
because I hate that so passionately........and think better of myself and the standard, I refuse to play that game as an auditor. if i suspect low hanging fruit, I typically ...off handed and ever so subtle........let them know that i know. I love it when I can say ZERO n/c...i suspect that fear of missing something drives some auditors to have a quota......probably lack of confidence in the system and themselves as auditors, or maybe an ego trip. As much as i hate that, there are worse things that audtors do.
there is an auditor i know, that is also a consultant, i have audited.....that auditor/consultant implements a lousy system, and is ready to pounce on me ( you can just see/feel it) when i am auditing in its defense ...yet ..... that same auditor would salivate if presented what i am presented and write a page fullof n/c....The system, although lousy, covers the shalls.............just covers. It adds no value to the company...SAD but it passes. I raise observations, but cannot raise a n/c...the system meets the requirement.........this time the auditor/consultant had the balls to say "you are lucky barbara is the auditor, anyone else would hang you out on that" I realized then what a game people play.....what the hell did they present it that way for then? the requirement was documented, the evidence/record was there. Certainly not the best approach, not my way, but it meant the intent of the standard, and the evidence was there that it was done.....I made an observation that there was opportunity for improvement, and i am out of there. SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I WANTED TO DEFEND MYSELF...so i asked the consultant, exactly where do you see it doesn't meet the standard? of course there was no answer.....and i just moved on. That same auditor/consultant is one of the "gotch' type that gets fat off hanging fruit!!!!!!!!!!!

because I hate that so passionately........and think better of myself and the standard, I refuse to play that game as an auditor. if i suspect low hanging fruit, I typically ...off handed and ever so subtle........let them know that i know. I love it when I can say ZERO n/c...i suspect that fear of missing something drives some auditors to have a quota......probably lack of confidence in the system and themselves as auditors, or maybe an ego trip. As much as i hate that, there are worse things that audtors do.
there is an auditor i know, that is also a consultant, i have audited.....that auditor/consultant implements a lousy system, and is ready to pounce on me ( you can just see/feel it) when i am auditing in its defense ...yet ..... that same auditor would salivate if presented what i am presented and write a page fullof n/c....The system, although lousy, covers the shalls.............just covers. It adds no value to the company...SAD but it passes. I raise observations, but cannot raise a n/c...the system meets the requirement.........this time the auditor/consultant had the balls to say "you are lucky barbara is the auditor, anyone else would hang you out on that" I realized then what a game people play.....what the hell did they present it that way for then? the requirement was documented, the evidence/record was there. Certainly not the best approach, not my way, but it meant the intent of the standard, and the evidence was there that it was done.....I made an observation that there was opportunity for improvement, and i am out of there. SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I WANTED TO DEFEND MYSELF...so i asked the consultant, exactly where do you see it doesn't meet the standard? of course there was no answer.....and i just moved on. That same auditor/consultant is one of the "gotch' type that gets fat off hanging fruit!!!!!!!!!!!

My resentment is reserved for those that think they are the experts, with no patience for anybody that doesn't see things their way. As you can tell by the several hundred pounds of crow and humble pie that I've consumed here in these forums, I can usually tell the difference between what I thought and the facts. To me, I respect anybody who entertains the thought that they may be incorrect in some of their assumptions. At meetings here, I sometimes get short with people and quickly realize that I may better serve the company by listening a little harder. By doing that, I have come to understand what people who continually talk about here mean by being a victim of their own paradigms. A year ago, I never heard the term. Keep punchin, Girl!
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