Ethics: Audit Question points auditor to a possible nonconformance

Hershal

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#71
I agree with db....it's more a competence question.....providing the folks that your organization wants you to train actually all work for your organization, and they let you train then mentor them through a few audits.

Otherwise, I agree with you, this may well be an ethical question, and I recommend taking the high road so to speak.

Just my thoughts.

Hershal
 
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amr1234 said:
I am stickler for being ethical. That being said, I have recently recieved my certification for TS Internal Auditor. The question that falls under the ethical umbrella is way out of my scope of understanding. I shall elaborate.

My company has sent people to TS Auditor training. They were unable to given a certificate because the Trainer was not qualified to train because he was not certified. As I understand his GM and Ford requrements were lacking.


Now, the rub is, I am being asked to train the people who attended on the GM and Ford information. Then the company wants me to attach my certificate to their papers. The company is saying it's ok.

I am not comfortable at all.

Can anyone help me?


:eek: :thanx:
I agree with db here. i don't see a question of ethics. You are being asked to train internal auditors in the "core tools". If you are qualified, which you say you are, then threre is no problem. Attaching a copy of your certificate(s) to the trainee records only provides evidence that they were trained by a qualified trainer.
If you determine, through witness audits of your internal auditors, that they are not competent then you must re-train them.
 

Marc

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#74
cncmarine - Let's cite the known facts in addition to 'opinion'

cncmarine,

I'm not sure what you mean by "...Why give them anything...", but I think it goes back to ethics and personal beliefs. In some cases it may also be a 'whistle blower' relief valve. My *personal* opinion is what have you got to hide and why???

:topic:
In a recent thread, there were several responses which addressed a basic, non-informational response you gave. The best response to your minimalistic post I saw was "...It's less what you say rather than how you say it..." or words to that effect.

In short, it's easy to make a blanket opinion such as "...Why give them anything...". It something entirely different when you add some facts and / or other information (or recounting an experience you had) to back up your opinion. As an outright 'blanket' opinion not backed up by evidence, your response is worth Ziltch.

I hope that in the future you will provide some backup information and detail rather that simply stating an opinion and teling everyone you are "...just a good manager...". We're interested in information which back up our opinions - Not blanket "...this is stupid..." and "...I know it all..." statements.

My impression at this point is you have a lot of opinions with no data (such as recountng a presonal experience) to back them up, other than, as you said in one thread, that you're a 'good manager' (which in its self is an opinion not backed up by verifiable evidence). As to others, their opinion is you have some sort of 'chip' on your shoulder and come to this forum to 'relieve' yourself.

Hopefully, in the future you will present facts to bolster your opinions / statements.
 
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