External Consultant as Internal Auditor - Can NC be issued by TS Auditor?

wak125

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Can TS external auditor raise any finding/nonconformity against internal auditing process where external consultant be working as an Internal Auditor in TS 16949:2002 environment ?
 
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Howard Atkins

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Re: External Consultant as Internal Auditor

Can TS external auditor raise any finding/nonconformity against internal auditing process where external consultant be working as an Internal Auditor in TS 16949:2002 environment ?
The consultant is not always 100% correct and is not free from comments on his work.
There s no problem with a consultant being an internal auditor as long as he is qualified to audit TS
 
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I hold AIAG TS supplier auditor certification and have done internal auditing for TS registered companies for a few years. I even had one CB auditor recommend my methods as some of the best he'd seen!:eek:

No problems here.........:notme:
 

Stijloor

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Can TS external auditor raise any finding/nonconformity against internal auditing process where external consultant be working as an Internal Auditor in TS 16949:2002 environment ?
Yes.

The Standard does not differentiate between internal and external (contract) personnel working in various processes.

Stijloor.
 
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Kevin H

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The only potential issue I see is that the consultant cannot audit his own work. Other than that there is nothing in ISO/TS that prohibits an organization hiring an external consultant to do internal audits.
 

Howard Atkins

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Can TS external auditor raise any finding/nonconformity against internal auditing process where external consultant be working as an Internal Auditor in TS 16949:2002 environment ?
Is this a theoretical question?

Is the NC on the competence of the auditor or the audit itself?

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We are an organization that does many contract internal audits (ISO & TS). We've had trouble with two registrars' auditors who question qualifications. The correct way is to audit how the outsourced process is controlled; not the qualifications - for example, auditors don't do that with outside calibration technicians. In the case of one registrar, the auditor claims the audit was "ineffective" and recomends a consultant who partners with that registrar.

So, fight this one.
 

Marc

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Ineffective Internal Audits

In the case of one registrar, the auditor claims the audit was "ineffective" and recomends a consultant who partners with that registrar.
I used to do internal audits for companies. I've phased most of that out, but I remember an auditor coming to one client and writing them up for ineffective internal audits (which I had done). His 'evidence' was the internal audits uncovered no non-conformities. So, the company called the registrar's audit manager while the auditor was sitting there and demanded their money back because during the previous 3 or 4 visits the registrar's auditor found no non-conformances. Ergo, the registrar's audits must be ineffective.

Needless to say, the writeup against my 'ineffective' internal audits was dropped.
 

Helmut Jilling

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Re: Ineffective Internal Audits

I used to do internal audits for companies. I've phased most of that out, but I remember an auditor coming to one client and writing them up for ineffective internal audits (which I had done). His 'evidence' was the internal audits uncovered no non-conformities. So, the company called the registrar's audit manager while the auditor was sitting there and demanded their money back because during the previous 3 or 4 visits the registrar's auditor found no non-conformances. Ergo, the registrar's audits must be ineffective.

Needless to say, the writeup against my 'ineffective' internal audits was dropped.

Sweet! :D:applause:
 
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