Extraordinary ISO/TC176 Meeting

[eee]

extraordinary ISO meeting

Does anybody know that ISO/TC176 is going to held a extraordinary meeting this year devoted to the problems of ISO 9k2k? Is it true? As i've heard the agenda is: CEO's don't want to re-certificate their existing QMS to new version, cause there are many misunderstandings and 2) they are happy with the 1994 version.

 

[M Greenaway]

Sounds like malicious gossip......but do go on.

 

[gpainter]

I have not heard or read anything on the TC group having a meeting. I have heard the many organizations have opted to discontinue or self declare for whatever reason. I do believe someones organization is self declaring that is a member of this group ( from another thread???) I have also heard that for those who want 3rd party audits to the 94 standard, that some businesses are offering this service (maybe Marc can help on this one). And these all may be rumors? Considering that only 1279 companies are registered of 408631, I do not believe that all are not going to make the December 15,03 date, unless we get more registrars and auditors. Our registrar has told us that this will add an extra day to get registered to the 00. Please take my advice set the time now with you registrar!!! And of course most businesses will wait til the last minute. With our economic uncertainity, certainly does not help either. IMO they would have had less resitance had they left the structure the same and add to it in accordance with the process approach. It is in the 94 but it is not so grouped as such.

 

[Aaron Lupo]

Re: extraordinary ISO meeting

Originally posted by eee
Does anybody know that ISO/TC176 is going to held a extraordinary meeting this year devoted to the problems of ISO 9k2k? Is it true? As i've heard the agenda is: CEO's don't want to re-certificate their existing QMS to new version, cause there are many misunderstandings and 2) they are happy with the 1994 version.

I don't know where you heard that, I know some of the reasons ISO was revised are:
ISO performed a survey and 80% of users indicated that ISO was not meeting their needs, I.e ISO lacked:
–Process orientation
–could not integrate ISO into “other” management systems (BOS)
–could not tailor ISO to scope of registration (service )
–No emphasis on continuous improvement (status quo)
–no requirements related to stakeholder benefits (employees, customers)
–not user friendly
To me it sounded as if they were not happy with the 94 version.

And lastly was becuase it was time it is reviewed/revised every 5 years.

As far as will they all companies that are 94 certified be 9K2K by 12/15/03, I have my doubts, but it could open up oppurtunity for some of the smaller registrars to steal some business from the larger ones that seem to not care about thier customers.