FAI measuring devices

[magneto259]

We are reviewing some FAI's and the inspectors have been noting the measurement tools used don't have a unique identifier per AS9102 per 4.1.C.6, which states:
Determine suitable monitoring and measuring equipment of appropriate resolution and accuracy. Ensure part
specific gauges and tooling are identified, qualified, and traceable.
To me this sounds like just special tooling not regular hand tools used to make qualified measurements. Is my logic correct? If so I don't see where regular measuring devices like calipers would need to be uniquely identified. If there is a requirement for that could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance!

 

[ScottK]

We are reviewing some FAI's and the inspectors have been noting the measurement tools used don't have a unique identifier per AS9102 per 4.1.C.6, which states:
Determine suitable monitoring and measuring equipment of appropriate resolution and accuracy. Ensure part
specific gauges and tooling are identified, qualified, and traceable.
To me this sounds like just special tooling not regular hand tools used to make qualified measurements. Is my logic correct? If so I don't see where regular measuring devices like calipers would need to be uniquely identified. If there is a requirement for that could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance!

How can you ensure a tool is traceable in a calibration system if it doesn't have a unique identifier?

 

[magneto259]

I totally agree. But is it required to be listed on the form 3 of an FAI? I haven’t found any specific language except the 4.1.C.6.
Thanks!

 

[Kronos147]

FWIW, I read that as don't use a ruler where a caliper is needed. Rather than a unique identifier, it is just making sure the gage is the right kind of gage.

 

[magneto259]

FWIW, I read that as don't use a ruler where a caliper is needed. Rather than a unique identifier, it is just making sure the gage is the right kind of gage.

Yeah I can see that. I don't like it when something can be interpreted numerous ways.
Some of our suppliers have read that as the "part specific gauges" as a special tool made to measure a specific part. With their definition, a pair of calipers doesn't fit that definition and therefore they don't have to uniquely identify it on the form 3.

 

[Big Jim]

I think you can get a better picture of your expected calibration environment if you read ISO AS9100D section 7.1.5. More specifically 7.1.5.2 b which states "measuring equipment shall be . . . identified in order to determine their status . . . "

 

[AuditReadyAnyTime]

Without a unique ID for the gauge utilized, how would you determine what results need to be investigated if the unit was found to be unfit for its intended purpose?

 

[magneto259]

Without a unique ID for the gauge utilized, how would you determine what results need to be investigated if the unit was found to be unfit for its intended purpose?

That’s precisely what we were trying to explain to the supplier. We aren’t sure if they are just ignorant of AS9100 requirements or trying to hide something.

 

[Mike S.]

Identifying a tool on a 9102 form is different than identifying it for AS9100 compliance. Where does As9102 require calipers to be identified with a tool number?

 

[magneto259]

Identifying a tool on a 9102 form is different than identifying it for AS9100 compliance. Where does As9102 require calipers to be identified with a tool number?

We are getting that from here:
AS9102 per 4.1.C.6, which states:
Determine suitable monitoring and measuring equipment of appropriate resolution and accuracy. Ensure part
specific gauges and tooling are identified, qualified, and traceable.