FAI & P.O. Requirements

Rocket27

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Hello,

We need to do an FAI for our customer. The PO calls for a special process requirement (approved plater/NADCAP), but the drawing does not. I know the PO is what we have to go by, but if the material of the detailed parts do not comply with the special process requirements, wouldn't that make the FAI incomplete?


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Cari Spears

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#2
Is the PO requirement a standard quality clause that would only be applicable if you were plating?
PO requirements aren't listed on an FAI - only the drawing (or CAD model if model based with no drawings) requirements - dimensions and flag notes and general notes.
If you have plating requirements on the drawing, then the plating source chosen should be in accordance with any PO clauses, but you don't list the PO clause on the FAI.
 

Rocket27

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Is the PO requirement a standard quality clause that would only be applicable if you were plating?
PO requirements aren't listed on an FAI - only the drawing (or CAD model if model based with no drawings) requirements - dimensions and flag notes and general notes.
If you have plating requirements on the drawing, then the plating source chosen should be in accordance with any PO clauses, but you don't list the PO clause on the FAI.
Yes, the PO calls out a Quality code for Special Process, which states approved plater or NADCAP certified and the parts are to be plated according to the Finish note on the drawing. The parts used are not from an approved plater or NADCAP, which to me would be an incomplete FAI, correct?
 

Mike S.

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If your FAIR is to be done according to AS9102, I would say you must include PO requirements. You would check "not complete" on box 19 Form 1 due to the nonconformance.

3.10 FIRST ARTICLE INSPECTION (FAI) - ALSO REFERRED TO AS PRODUCTION PROCESS VERIFICATION
A planned, complete, independent, and documented inspection and verification process to ensure that prescribed
production processes have produced an item conforming to engineering drawings, DPD, planning, purchase order,
engineering specifications, and/or other applicable design documents.
 

Rocket27

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If your FAIR is to be done according to AS9102, I would say you must include PO requirements. You would check "not complete" on box 19 Form 1 due to the nonconformance.

3.10 FIRST ARTICLE INSPECTION (FAI) - ALSO REFERRED TO AS PRODUCTION PROCESS VERIFICATION
A planned, complete, independent, and documented inspection and verification process to ensure that prescribed
production processes have produced an item conforming to engineering drawings, DPD, planning, purchase order,
engineering specifications, and/or other applicable design documents.
Given this PO requirement, should Field #9 on Form 2 be listed as "Yes" for the plating..?
 

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I've never been asked or required to list out PO requirements, quality clauses, or supplier quality requirements manual requirements, on a FAIR report. Only what's on the face of the drawing.

Using a plating source that isn't qualified per the PO requirement is still a reason to reject the FAIR and control whatever potential nonconforming product you have.
 
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Rocket27

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Obviously not, as the PO requirement for the plating house approvals was not complied with.
I was asking because I have a training sheet stating, " Field 9: Indicate if technical approval is required by the customer." .. so given the requirement is in the PO that to me would be percieved as approval is required, but I know it does not conform.
 

Rocket27

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I've never been asked or required to list out PO requirements, quality clauses, or supplier quality requirements manual requirements, on a FAIR report. Only what's on the face of the drawing.

Using a plating source that isn't qualified per the PO requirement is still a reason to reject the FAIR and control whatever potential nonconforming product you have.
Thank you!
 
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