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FAIR - If we have not produced a part in over 2 years, but nothing has changed

#1
If we have not produced a part in over 2 years, but nothing has changed with production accept we have to order the same type of new parts from the suppliers, including outside processing, do we have to create a new FAIR? Of course we get a CofC, but none of these reorders have changed from the original drawings and do not affect Form Fit or Function. Do we have to create a new full FAIR? Thank you.
 
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#2
If we have not produced a part in over 2 years, but nothing has changed with production accept we have to order the same type of new parts from the suppliers, including outside processing, do we have to create a new FAIR? Of course we get a CofC, but none of these reorders have changed from the original drawings and do not affect Form Fit or Function. Do we have to create a new full FAIR? Thank you.
2 points..

Point # 1: QUOTE: AS9102B 4.6f: A lapse in production for two years shall require an update for any characteristics that may be impacted by the
inactivity. This lapse is from the completion of last production operation to the actual restart of production.

So ask the customer if this is required since there were no update on any characteristic. If they were then - do the FAIR.

Point # 2:
An FAI is intended to:

 Reduce future escapes, risks, and total costs.
 Help ensure safety of flight.
 Improve quality, delivery, and customer satisfaction.
 Reduce costs and production delays associated with product nonconformances.
 Identify product realization
 

John Predmore

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#3
FAIR is a risk reduction activity. What is the risk over a part not made in two years? The biggest risk is the change(s) you know nothing about. The longer the period of time, the more likely something in the process changed - people with know-how quit or retire, machines or tooling gets replaced, the special instructions for this part-number were misplaced, suppliers move production to new plants with a new workforce. The aerospace people decided the risk after 2 years was generic enough that a revisit to the original decision was warranted.
 

Big Jim

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#5
The portion of AS9100D that deals with first article doesn't include such a requirement. As shown above, AS9102B does. Does the customer's requirement include adhering to AS9102B? If not, you are not obligated. If so, you are. If a customer is requesting it anyway, think twice about refusing it. Make sure you allow for it in pricing, even if it isn't specifically called out on the invoice.
 
#6
The portion of AS9100D that deals with first article doesn't include such a requirement. As shown above, AS9102B does. Does the customer's requirement include adhering to AS9102B? If not, you are not obligated. If so, you are. If a customer is requesting it anyway, think twice about refusing it. Make sure you allow for it in pricing, even if it isn't specifically called out on the invoice.
Thank you! Did not know that, but will take into consideration the other responses as well.
 
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