First Year Teacher - Why US public schools are failing

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Laura M

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Jim Wynne said:
I think it's important to note that the person quoted doesn't speak with any sort of authority, and is expressing a personal opinion. If a person is on a school board with an intellectually challenged majority, and they do boneheaded things, there needs to be a voice in the wilderness.
I'm not sure why you think he is speaking without any sort of authority. Both sources are and have been involved with school boards for years.

My comments were more on the 'dignity' piece. But as far as being a 'voice in the wilderness, more that one vote in my district have been 6-1, with me being the '1' - you add the facts to your opinions and background, and make a decision. However, I 100% respect the opinions of my fellow board members. I have had folks say "hey, how come you guys decided on 'XYZ' to which I have been known to say - check the voting record. I voted against. But now that the decision is made, I'm going to help it be as successful as possible. I respect the opinions of my fellow board members, as implied by the article.
 
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Jim Wynne said:
I think it's important to note that the person quoted doesn't speak with any sort of authority, and is expressing a personal opinion. If a person is on a school board with an intellectually challenged majority, and they do boneheaded things, there needs to be a voice in the wilderness.
I agree! Even the United States Supreme Court has a mechanism for the dissenting opinion to be published side-by-side with the majority opinion. In some cases, there may even be two or more dissenting opinions, each singling out different aspects of the dissent.
 
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Laura M

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BOE meetings are open and in public. Anyone in attendence will hear the discussion and opinions of all BOE members. I have been thanked for 'speaking my mind' by both teachers and parents, when a majority decision was obviously going the other way. I have also had my opinion changed by listening to my fellow BOE members. However, once the vote is taken, I will not work against the success of a decision.

I have a couple of examples where full open discussion with opposing views were actually getting pretty 'heated.'
For example, we recently went with full day kindergarten. Several parents spoke up indicating they preferred the current 1/2 day. Research of a 'committee' strongly recommended full day. This could have gotten very divided, however, I happend to mention that Kindergarten is not a mandated grade level, therefore I suggested that parents who really wanted half day be given the opportunity to pick up their kids (not bussed though). That was the final decision. 1st year of full day kindergarten had 2 (out of 400) kids get picked up at lunch - which lasted until October when they decided to go for the full day.
 
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JerryStem

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Laura M said:
:naughty: And you'd be OK going to the parent/teacher conference after seeing her 'strip' the weekend before?

Having an open mind is OK, but teachers are supposed to be a 'role model' and respected by our kids and the parents. I don't think I would be OK with this. Even the bartender thing - if it was a respectful or upscale bar, not a 'wet T shirt' one, it'd probably be OK.
Yes I would. Again, this is a teacher, or principal (lost track now) for a school. She can have an outside life. She can have hobbies. She can have a part-time job if it doesn't LEGALLY interfere with her main job. She doesn't get paid enough to have to maintain any "airs" about her self after work...

And as for being a role model, I can't see any better role model than someone that thinks for themselves, doesn't let someone else's opinion of right & wrong influence their lifestyle (do you have problems with someone being gay too?), and still maintains her teaching job with competence.

If she is a good teacher in the classroom, I don't care what she does in her off-time. There's plenty of bad teachers that lead "respectable" lives...

Jerry :applause:
PS- A respectable bar? Only serves alcohol to drunks that have their shirts on? Sounds a little hypocritical to me.
 
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Laura M

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JerryStem said:
PS- A respectable bar? Only serves alcohol to drunks that have their shirts on? Sounds a little hypocritical to me.
I guess I was thinking more of a party house or waiter type position. Bar probably isn't even the right word.

By the way, in this weekends paper there was a local section article about a teacher and school board member that got a DWI. I wonder why? I'm sure it wasn't the only DWI arrest this weekend. Could it be because it was a teacher and board member a higher standard made it newsworthy?

I will agree to disagree on the principal/bartender teacher/stripper thing with you because I believe different areas of the country and state may even vary on this in local opinion, but the original question and suggested answer was the American School Board Journal. I'm OK with us having different personal values and beliefs, but as a BOE member, you represent the community at large. That, my friends, makes us the United States of America. :agree1:
 
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JerryStem

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Laura M said:
I will agree to disagree on the principal/bartender teacher/stripper thing with you because I believe ...
I will also agree to disagree because otherwise we will just go back and forth & just fill up empty space...

If she's a competent teacher, I don't care about her private life, just that simple. That goes for any profession, IMHO.

Jerry:truce:
 
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