Ford 2nd Tier info - Ford is asking us for a list of all of our suppliers

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roland_lu

#11
Thanks, Jim, lesson learned.

I checked with my boss. Ford does maintain its own approved supplier list we need to go to.

He mentioned that there is exception, that when you are selling the black boxes (proprietary design), you may not have to tell Ford or GM who you get the materials from.
 
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Vermeesch

#12
Cari Spears said:
Yeah - Do you know why they are asking for this, Wil?

And - Welcome among the posters!!
It's quit simple. They want to have an inside view about costs for the products we are going to buy and deliver them to Ford.
 
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jrubio

#13
If you change of a Supplier, new PPAP

If you change of a Supplier, new PPAP will be required, this is the reason.
 
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jrubio

#14
Quality problems are often due to changes in suppliers

Ford knows that the change of validated suppliers is an importan source of Quality problems, therefore there are many Customer when a new change of Suppliers in the Certified Supplier List change at Supplier Site, the request a new PPAP, many often a PPAP level 1 is enough after a previous Level 3.


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#15
jrubio said:
Ford knows that the change of validated suppliers is an importan source of Quality problems, therefore there are many Customer when a new change of Suppliers in the Certified Supplier List change at Supplier Site, the request a new PPAP, many often a PPAP level 1 is enough after a previous Level 3.

True, and the other answers are true also. But in this case Ford is asking for a complete list of all suppliers, and that is very unusual. It would certainly be something I want to understand, because it could end badly.

That is why I asked if the company had significant quality issues with their product or suppliers. Ford has a motive for the request.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#16
hjilling said:
Ford has a motive for the request.
It's a good point. When the big guys come out of nowhere with requests like this, there's always a reason. It might be something benign on the part of an individual who's trying to be thorough, and it might be someone who's building a bomb.
 
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jrubio

#17
See Ford Status.Report Card and Ask Ford Analyst, the will tell you the reason,

The confidence Ford has on your Company is shown in their report Card system of Supplier Rating, see your Score there and if you are in red Status :eek: , sure enough this is the reason of the request more Documents.

Level 1, full confidence.

Level 3. Less confidence,

More, A problem, but do not warry at the end the price is an important fact to mantain a Supplier even with a bad performance


:magic:
 
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jrubio

#18
NTN always ask for Certifiesd Suppliers and others Customers also...

As far as I know there are some Customer who always ask for that list...

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REASON FOR SUBMISSION
Initial submission
Change to Optional Construction or Material

Engineering Change(s)

Sub-Supplier or Material Source Change


Tooling: Transfer, Replacement, Refurbishment, or Additional
Change in Part Processing

Correction of Discrepancy

Parts produced at Additional Location

Tooling inactive > than 1 year

Other - please specify
 
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Michael Walmsley

#19
Vermeesh is dead on!

"It's quite simple. They want to have an inside view about costs for the products we are going to buy and deliver them to Ford."

In the battle to squeeze costs , they have been known to go behind a suppliers back to get quotes from their sub - suppliers. They then attempt to apply leverage to the supplier to squeeze costs out.

This is on top of the year to year "X %" cost reductions they expect from their suppliers.:caution:
 

Cari Spears

Super Moderator
Staff member
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#20
Vermeesch said:
It's quit simple. They want to have an inside view about costs for the products we are going to buy and deliver them to Ford.
I don't doubt that... but I was actually interested in knowing what your customer said is the reason. Or did they not give a reason with the request?
 
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