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Getting Charged for AS9104/1 Additional Audit Time

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z28tt

#1
Hi guys,

Hopefully the collective Cove wisdom can shed some light on this...

Our multiyear AS9100 accreditation contract was revised by our CB & resubmitted for approval due to AS9104/1. The new contract added .25 audit days for every surveillance visit to cover auditor time "for planning, report writing, and/or completion of 9101 forms" (from AS9104/1 8.2.2.d). Multiple visits on multiple sites really adds up at .25 days every time at the four figure daily rate.

The CB is saying the standard requires them to charge us for it. Seems like they should be absorbing it. Just wondering what you guys have seen, if it's typical, and if I should be pushing back... I just don't see where the standard says we have to pay for it, I just see that it doesn't allow on-site audit time to be used for anything besides auditing or filling out A9101.

Thanks!
 
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Jeff Frost

#2
Re: Getting charged for AS9104/1 add'l audit time

The standard mandates number of man days based on size of company etc. Your contract with the CB dictates what you will be charged when they render their services to your organization. Like every business they need to make a profit to cover their operation costs and to grow the business just like your organization.
 
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z28tt

#3
Re: Getting charged for AS9104/1 add'l audit time

The standard mandates number of man days based on size of company etc. Your contract with the CB dictates what you will be charged when they render their services to your organization. Like every business they need to make a profit to cover their operation costs and to grow the business just like your organization.
Jeff,
Thanks. I understand the need to be profitable. It seems the only thing that's changed for us is that our registrar took the new standard, and is using it to bill for time that was previously included in the contract as overhead. Mandated audit-days haven't changed, but there is now the addition of .25 days billable time per audit.

I was wondering if fellow covers have been experiencing the same from their registrars...
 
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Jeff Frost

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Re: Getting charged for AS9104/1 add'l audit time

As AS9104/1 is being implemented the RMC is giving expanded guidance to the CBs. I am on good terms with my CB account rep. She is saying that on the document side of the business (completed off site) has been expanding as AS9100C was brought online this July. The next revision of AS9101 (audit standard) is rumored to be restricting completion of all audit paperwork to offsite only. AIQG/RMS figures that the auditors should be spending their time on only once thing while onsite, performing the audit to the requirements.
 
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mjfqd

#5
We are getting charged for an "internal review, update, and reissue of certificate" at our next audit because of the AS9104/1 change. I would like to hear how many other companies are seeing a charge for this change.
 
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roberson30

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Just got bit by the AS9104/1 at surveillance audit. Contract we signed with Registrar was ignored and an additional day added at 4 figures without our knowledge. What good is a signed contract if the terms are changed and modified without your knowledge? Registrar stated to me that contract was adjusted according to new requirements of AS9104/1. We are small company with 10 employees. These certification costs are certainly getting out of hand. Boss not happy!:confused:
 
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mjfqd

#7
We were charged a flat rate of $500 with no extra days for AS9104/1. We have over 100 employees. You might want to quote other registrars.
 
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