Gloss Checker vs. Gloss Meter differences - Horiba Gloss Checker IG-320?

gpainter

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Is there a differencebetween a gloss checker and a gloss meter? Does anyone have experience with the Horiba Gloss Checker IG-320? Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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The Horiba Gloss Checker IG-320 is an electronic meter, yes? Please describe.

I've used gloss meters (but I don't trust them) on dashboards, steering wheels and other very visible injection mold products. I've never heard of a 'gloss checker' other than a meter {with the exclusion of boundary samples or 'calibrated' colour strips}.
 

gpainter

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Yes. It can be found on pg 237 of the Paul N. Gardner catalog. It is a 60* only. Here is some of the specs.

12mm X 6mm oval measure area
880nm LED light source
.1 resolution
0~40* C
+/- 0.5% F.S. Within +/- 1 digit
auto calibration
built in data memory
computation of averages

It seems to do the same as as the meter I have used before. I think the salesman was trying to get a bigger sale. I am now in the furniture (chair) industry and one of our customers have set a gloss standard of 22 +/- 3 at 60 *
 
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Puzzle

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My two penneth.

I always found gloss meters to be affected by the depth of coating.

If the customer has a specific requirement, do they have a physical sample to which they refer for 'calibration' purposes.

At a previous employ, we offered, matt, mid gloss, gloss and high gloss !!

Not particularly scientific but we had samples, suitably preserved, we could reference and demonstrate.

Probably does not help you but it was interesting to bring things back to basics!!
 
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ralphsulser

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I too have used Gardner Gloss Meters in the past, at 60*, and 80* gloss requirements. The meter was also accompanied by gloss calibration standards used to check the reading of the meter, and we calibrated it once per shift. I have also seen automotive plants (Corvette) use a D.O.I. (Depth of Image) Meter, on a finished car, but I don't know how to use it myself. Maybe some automotive contacts can help.
 
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djlance

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I thought that a gloss checker was just a different name for gloss meter? I am not 100% sure though.

What is the difference between a haze meter and a gloss meter? Is it that a haze meter measures both the reflection haze and gloss at the same time and a gloss meter just measures the gloss?
 
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JohnI

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Hello Everyone,

The Name Gloss Checker refers to the model name versus Novo Gloss for the Rhopoint brand or micro gloss for Byk. They are all gloss meters. The gloss checker comes in two models; The IG-3331 is a dual measuring device measuring at 20 and at 60 degrees. The IG-320 only measures in the 60 degree mode which is the universal type. For more information on angle configurations and why they exist, please you can read my write up on gloss meter introduction on our website. The Gloss Checker models are lower cost not because they are lesser in quality but because they do not come with software, certificates, cables and hard case. We calibrate glossmeters and know this firsthand. The Gloss Checker IG-331 has a remote sensing head and is somewhat less repeatable than the Gloss Checker IG-320 but also costs much less. It is used successfully to measure the waxed floors or shiny cement floors in large box stores. The IG-320 is accurate and repeatable and provides statistics and still costs under $1,000. These meters are quality made in Japan. There are no gloss meters made in North America. Other units like the Rhopoint Novo Gloss models are made in the U.K. while the most expensive models are made in Germany. The Novo Gloss models measure and track like the German models and cost much less and do come with the Certificates, software and hardcase.

If someone is looking for ISO 17025 Certification, it does not exist. We are factorty trained and do the calibrations after cleaning and checking the optical angles and calibration tiles. Once we have re-calibrated the gloss meters, we provide a Certificate with values for four master tiles throughout the measurement range of the gloss meter. If you have any questions, just ask or call the phone number in my profile. We perform calibrations, for all of North America at very reasonable rates if you are interested.
 
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JohnI

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Hi Ralph,
Just wanted to add some comments to your post. Gloss meters come in 20-60 or 85 degrees styles. 20 for high Gloss and 85 for very matte surfaces. 60 is general use. Gardner does not make gloss meters, they re-sell them. We are one of the largest gloss meter sellers around.
D.O.I. "Distanctness of Image" meters used to be super expensive. A new meter is now out to measure this DOI or Orange Peel as it is sometimes called. A paint maybe glossy but the image it reflects maybe very badly distorted pointing to some quality issues of the metal. It may also be hazy. This new meter, the Novo Gloss IQ is much more affordable now for Tier 1 and Tier 2 suppliers.

John
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