GM PPAP Specific Requirements - How many pieces for layout, submission - Gage R&R?

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Jay Sturgeon

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GM PPAP Specific Requirements

A little help please.

I am a Tier II supplier about to submit to my New Tier I customer, who is supplying GM.

What should I expect to have to PPAP on, as this is take over work. Metal Stampings.

How many pieces for layout, submission......
Will they want Gage R&Rs..........
There are no signifigant characteristics....will they want capability studies, or is gage fit enough.....

I know about the GM3059m and 1441. All advice would be helpful. I need to get the amount of time to PPAP ready fairly quickly.

All Help is Appreciated,

Jay
 
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Howard Atkins

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Re: GM PPAP Specific Requirements

The best way to find out is to ask the customer.

I have found that this communication between the person submitting and the person receiving the PPAP is the best way to get it accepted.
If you have spoken to him then he has a commitment to you and you give him exactly what he wants.
Gm as far as I know work according to the AIAG PPAP book.
If there are no KPC's then you dont need to give capability studies.
According to the standard you should do GR&R on all devices on the control plan.
 
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nancy chen

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Re: GM PPAP Specific Requirements

Hi, Jay Sturgeon, I am a Tier II supplier of GM, too.

I agree with the sugests of Howard Atkins, "The best way to find out is to ask the customer." the SQE of your customer will tell you what need to do.

If there are no KPC's then you need to give capability studies for standard characteristics ( listed on control plan or job inxtructions and approved by customer ).It's my opinion.

nancy chen
 
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Bill Ryan - 2007

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Re: GM PPAP Specific Requirements

Jay,
We are Tier 2 for most of our products to GM and Tier 1 to GM Powertrain (one part). Typically, but not always, my customers need 300 parts (default) plus the full blown level 3 documentation. I believe the quantity is set at 300 because my customer needs "X number of assemblies" to meet their PPAP requirements to the GM plant.

If your customer(s) supply Powertrain, they need a "PTR" quantity which varies depending on the user plant.

As mentioned earlier, your SQA should know what his company's submission requirements are. It should also be stated in your contract.

Hope that helps :bigwave:
Bill
 
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