How difficult is the test at the end of the TS16949 Lead Auditor Course?

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lesliedo

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I am taking the AIAG course - Lead auditor TS16949. How hard is the test at the end? Can I get idea's on what to study before the course? :thanx:
 
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Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

I am taking the AIAG course - Lead auditor TS16949. How hard is the test at the end? Can I get idea's on what to study before the course? :thanx:
I am not sur eif it has changed since I took it, but it is difficult. I passed, but over half of the auditors are failing at least one or two parts.

I recommend knowing the standard well. But, more important, know the TS Rules, IATF CB Auditor Competency Criteria 1 (if they are still using it), the Core Tools. Guys are not reading this stuff, and it is costing them.
 
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Keith Childers

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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

I kinda have a question to ask along these same lines.
I am looking for a good Lead Auditor course in the midwestern US.
Is AIAG the best one to take, or does anyone have another suggestion?
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

I kinda have a question to ask along these same lines.
I am looking for a good Lead Auditor course in the midwestern US.
Is AIAG the best one to take, or does anyone have another suggestion?

If you are taking training to be a 3rd party registrar auditor, you must take the certification at AIAG. The Plexus course at AIAG is the only sanctioned training for that, to my knowledge.

However, if you are wanting training to use in-house at your company, I think the Plexus approach is not the best. I provide training and materials that I feel are more beneficial to an internal company than those I received at Plexus. It is more focused on providing value and improving a company's bottom line and customer satisfaction. (As Jim Kramer would say, "Let's make Money!"

I would be willing to discuss them with you (send me a private email if you are interested).
 
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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

Keith:

Of course my organization has the best Lead Auditor course, too.........;) :D

Seriously, way back, we wrote the first LA course ever (yes, indeed) and we're generally the first to have our courses accredited here by the RAB. Our experience with designing and delivering such LA courses runs over 20 years with over 100 combined years of experience in all forms of qms auditing. We run them in the mid west too!!

I have taken the AIAG training (for supplier auditors) which is the same training as the registrar auditors take (without the verbal exam) and the test was a bit mixed - not much about actually auditing (apart from writing non-conformity statements) it's more about the standard etc. This is not what our course teaches, we take pride in a balanced approach which blends audit principles, core tools etc.

If you click on our side panel it'll take you to the schedule of courses.....SAI Global

BTW - Helmut's training will be good too!!:agree1:

Andy
 
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bdames

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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

Andy,

RAB set it up so that no one could claim to be "first". There were 4 organizations who were announced at the same time. Excel/SAI Global is not one of the original 4. RAB would frown upon anyone stating that they were first. Especially if they weren't even in the first group.
 
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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

Andy,

RAB set it up so that no one could claim to be "first". There were 4 organizations who were announced at the same time. Excel/SAI Global is not one of the original 4. RAB would frown upon anyone stating that they were first. Especially if they weren't even in the first group.
The RAB came along waaaaaaaay after we wrote the first LA course!!;)

Andy
 

gpainter

Quite Involved in Discussions
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Re: How hard is the TS16949 Lead Auditor Course test at the end?

How long have you been doing audits? It seems the longer you have done them the harder the test is. I took the ISO one and had no problems. Just read the question as written-do not read anymore into it. Applied Quality Systems was who Is went thru for the ISO lead auditor, years back. Had three teachers that taught it. The main one was Hank Gunk, he had worked alongside Phil Crosby in his early years. I only had 8 persons in the class, so we had plenty of time for questions. AQS had many regional offerings, I went to St Louis for mine.
 
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Re: Will be taking the TS16949 lead auditor course, how hard is the test at the end?

Hello Lesliedo,

A quick question.....

Do you work for a Certification Body (Registrar)?
If yes, you can take this course.
If not, you should take the ISO/TS 16949:2002 Supplier Auditor Course.

I strongly recommend AIAG (not because of Plexus), but because you need the information from the "horse's mouth." I like to receive my ISO/TS and audit information first hand...

I am an AIAG certified Supplier Auditor and recently recertified upon expiry of my certificate.

The AIAG offer an ISO/TS Lead auditor course - this is NOT THE SAME as the Supplier Auditor course. You don't have to be a 3rd party auditor to do a Lead Auditor course, only to take the AIAG course for third party auditors! The Supplier Auditor course, is a shortened version of the 3rd party auditor course. Got it? Phew!!:D

Andy
 
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Re: How hard is the TS16949 Lead Auditor Course test at the end?

I understand :bigwave: - I wasn't meaning to 'shout' (just highlight the differences in titles etc...........).:bonk:

My concern is primarily that there is so much mis-information and, as a result, confusion about who has to do/get/read/etc what to do ISO or whatever.:frust:

As a forum moderator, I'm attempting to clarify for all readers of this post the subtle but important points which can lead to them spending money on training etc, with a less that stellar result.:mg:

So, once again, I didn't think I was shouting, but I understand how you might read this. Stick with the Coves, we all end up with a better understanding as a result of such interactions!!

Andy (caps lock off.......:lol:
 
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