How do you Audit Internal Audits?

Stijloor

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The Quality department IA audits are coming up next month. Since Quality cannot audit their process we asked for volunteers from other departments to no avail. The Quality Manager suggested using document control to audit Internal audits and Calibration and use Calibration personnel to audit Receiving Inspection and RCCA. Well, you guys get the point. Is there a problem with this? To use various QA personnel to perform all of our QA audits as long as they do not audit their own department, yet we all still fall under the umbrella of Quality Assurance.
Clause 8.2.2 says: "Auditors shall not audit their own work." Folks get too wrapped up in "departments."

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After reading the posts again, I find us to be generally in agreement with some differences in style rather than substance.

I do find it surprising that Andy finds it "undesirable" to have someone from another department do the audit. That is not only common practice in many organizations but should not be an issue if the auditor is properly trained in auditing techniques. I do agree that the training must be more than a checklist. I have never liked checklists but I know some companies use it to make it easier on the auditor and auditees and ensures that needed processes are audited. Checklists can have the disadvantage of not allowing the auditor some discretion in looking at obvious problems not on it.

Bill Pflanz
I have seen an organzation where their consultant audits the whole system including MR responsibilities. None of their own employees is a trained auditor.
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