SBS - The best value in QMS software

How do you reconcile product specificities of different countries?

K

Ka Pilo

#1
If there are no global standards for product characteristics, companies from different countries possibly see the same product differently. I understand that ISO 9001 do not give specific requirements for specific products so my question would be on the processes that influence product quality and customer satisfaction.

Let’s take for example, your product is shoes and you have customers from US and Japan. Sizes vary dramatically from country to country. Note that US size 7 could be different from Japan's size 7 because Americans are generally bigger than Japanese. The result of that extra cost passed on to customers, and therefore possibly affects customer satisfaction. Since you have customers from two different countries, my questions are
1) How do you reconcile the two?
2) How do you pay attention to customer specificities by region?

What’s your take on this?
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#2
If there are no global standards for product characteristics, companies from different countries possibly see the same product differently. I understand that ISO 9001 do not give specific requirements for specific products so my question would be on the processes that influence product quality and customer satisfaction.

Let’s take for example, your product is shoes and you have customers from US and Japan. Sizes vary dramatically from country to country. Note that US size 7 could be different from Japan's size 7 because Americans are generally bigger than Japanese. The result of that extra cost passed on to customers, and therefore possibly affects customer satisfaction. Since you have customers from two different countries, my questions are
1) How do you reconcile the two?
2) How do you pay attention to customer specificities by region?

What’s your take on this?
In your shoe example, one country's size 7 won't be different from another's size 7 because of the relative sizes of people in the two countries; it's because different scales are used. Companies that make shoes know this.

If you're not sure about what a customer is asking for, you need to ask the customer for clarification, keep asking until you're sure and then document the requirements.
 
K

Ka Pilo

#3
In your shoe example, one country's size 7 won't be different from another's size 7 because of the relative sizes of people in the two countries; it's because different scales are used. Companies that make shoes know this.
Yes, that's what I mean.

If you're not sure about what a customer is asking for, you need to ask the customer for clarification, keep asking until you're sure and then document the requirements.
Ideally, yes. Perhaps companies need to specify the right size reference on purchase orders, invoices and delivery slips.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#4
Ideally, yes. Perhaps companies need to specify the right size reference on purchase orders, invoices and delivery slips.
Companies need to specify what they want and be cognizant of potentially conflicting standards and units of measure. Caveat emptor. At the same time, sellers should be aware of potential conflicts and confirm what's being asked for if necessary.
 

Marc

Hunkered Down for the Duration with a Mask on...
Staff member
Admin
#5
If a company is making shoes it's surely going to make a range of sizes and will, as Jim points out, know the standard(s) for the countries it is manufacturing the shoes for.

As for cost, which cost? What a consumer pays or cost to the company to make the shoes?

Wikipedia reference-linkShoe_size

I don't see how product quality and customer satisfaction would come into play. The company either makes good shoes or not (product quality and customer satisfaction), has good customer service or not (and customer satisfaction), etc.

Price the customer pays is sorta a wide open space to discuss which gets into many factors such as where it is sold (e.g.: Walmart vs. a Beverly Hills shoe store) and the markup each level sets. In the US, for example, if I buy shoes at a cheap shoe store (does Walmart sell shoes?), I *may* get a highly prized brand name shoe for less than in a high end shoe store.

When you talk about a company passing on costs (in this case because of different standard sizes in different countries), companies make deals with different distributors. They will pass on any cost they can to a point. There is a point where the cost to make an item + required markup % is such that distributors won't buy.

As an example of how disparate the price for an item can be is often looked at with respect to women's clothes. Quite often the same item for a man (e.g.: jeans) is less than the same item for a woman even though women are typically smaller and thus the item takes less material to make. I know quite a few gals who buy mens jeans because they're cheaper.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
H Medical device Product Registration Registrars and Notified Bodies 2
A Can a power Supply be an accessory to a medical device, if it is an 'off-the-shelf' product. IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 3
M Extension to shelf life of new product under MDR EU Medical Device Regulations 1
lanley liao Are there guidelines for application of all API monogrammal product? Oil and Gas Industry Standards and Regulations 2
S ISO 11137- Simulated product vs SIP Other Medical Device Related Standards 2
K "World Class Product" based QM. I need advice. Quality Management System (QMS) Manuals 14
R IATF 16949 Certification for new site with transferred product--what is the impact with CSR and scorecards? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 0
William55401 Distributed By Product - Best Practices for Configuration Management and Purchasing Controls ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 0
R Compatibility studies - combination product CE Marking (Conformité Européene) / CB Scheme 4
R Compatibility studies - Medicinal Product and Medical Device Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 0
J Marking "Distributed By" to product with distributors' reference-code EU Medical Device Regulations 3
dinaroxentool Selling a product in Both UK and EU after Brexit UK Medical Device Regulations 9
P EU MDR Translation of Product Name EU Medical Device Regulations 0
N Is this a single integral drug device combination product EU MDR CE Marking (Conformité Européene) / CB Scheme 1
V New Product Model CE Mark Certification under MDR EU Medical Device Regulations 0
Sidney Vianna Informational APQP4Wind - Advanced Product Quality Planning for the Wind Power Supply Chain APQP and PPAP 3
K 510k FDA review, will they accept Biocompatibility result generated using feasibility product lots? 21 CFR Part 820 - US FDA Quality System Regulations (QSR) 8
G Adopting old product - compliance with IEC 62304 IEC 62304 - Medical Device Software Life Cycle Processes 9
S How long does it take to register a product with MHRA? UK Medical Device Regulations 4
D Classification of product for clinical trials EU Medical Device Regulations 14
N Adding unclassified product to the medical device registration US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 1
B Internal Auditor Competency - Product Auditors Internal Auditing 9
T PFMEA and Control Plans on legacy product FMEA and Control Plans 5
P FDA Approved Product Contact Parts ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 6
S AS9120B - 8.5.2 Delivering Split Product AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 6
S Classification of a product according to MDR EU Medical Device Regulations 3
optomist1 Informational Training IMDS - Management of Product Chemical Regulatory Compliance RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances 2
L AS9100 - Product and Service Provision 8.5.1q AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 6
J 1.11 Preliminary Identification of Special Product and Process Characteristics APQP and PPAP 4
J Possible to get ISO 13485 certified with only OEM Product? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 4
Felony Melony New Product Launch - Safe Launch Customer and Company Specific Requirements 1
Marcel DS How do I know if my product is required be RoHS certified? REACH and RoHS Conversations 6
I Control Plan (Product/Process specification/ Tolerance) acceptance FMEA and Control Plans 27
DuncanGibbons Technical Data Package vs Digital Product Definition APQP and PPAP 0
A ISO 11135:2014, B.1.4, BI resistance x product bioburden ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 6
Sravan Manchikanti How to interpret '8.3 Control of nonconforming product' for SaMD device while implementing ISO 13485 & MDSAP ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 7
R Product Recall - medical devices in the hospital warehouse Canada Medical Device Regulations 2
A Software bug fixes after shipping a product EU Medical Device Regulations 3
silentmonkey How to measure severity if my product is designed for emergency use and failure would result in death? ISO 14971 - Medical Device Risk Management 9
D IATF16949 7.5.3.2.1 Record Retention - Our Product or Customer Product? Elsmar Cove Forum Suggestions, Complaints, Problems and Bug Reports 1
H Operational planning and product and service provision when things happen so fast ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 11
T Letter to file for Product Certification CE Marking (Conformité Européene) / CB Scheme 0
J Scope of ISO 9001 clause 10.2 in the product life cycle ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 2
S Can a Contract Manufacturer "release" product on behalf of client to the market? 21 CFR Part 820 - US FDA Quality System Regulations (QSR) 4
T Formal Q Self Assessment - Problem with assigning Product and Process Customer and Company Specific Requirements 1
S California Cleaning Product Right to Know Act - Product Label advice needed Miscellaneous Environmental Standards and EMS Related Discussions 1
S Definition of "worldwide" in view of IATF 16949 and Product conformity IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
H PCD remains valid for new product ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 11
M MDR EU Distributor for our CE Mark product in the for Netherlands EU Medical Device Regulations 6
E How do you determine if hipot is necessary for a cable product? Manufacturing and Related Processes 8

Similar threads

Top Bottom